OK, give me until tomorrow to find them







No, you haven't got that right. You are judged on your sin only, not someone else's. What people mean when they talk about original or Adam's sin is the emergence of sin into the world. You are not condemned to Hell for Adam's wrongdoing but your own.



You ask what happens if we do nothing wrong. This is impossible. The Bible tells us that we ALL fall short of God's mark. I'd like to see an example of someone who has lived a sin-free life (except Jesus of course

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He has not intervened. My heart was already open to a relationship with Jesus.







My relationship with God is not trivial, it's actually the most important thing in the world.

Why did he talk to you and not Mother Theresa?



Why doesn't he approach the thousands of clergy men who have lost their faith, but still remain with the church because they can't earn a living doing anything else?



Would you not agree that when a person want's something enough, whether that is to communicate with the dead after losing a loved one, see fairies at the bottom of the garden or be that hungry and thirsty, their mind plays tricks (hallucinations) on them?



Is their any amount of science you would listen to and acknowledge if it went against your book, or would you always go scripture over science?

Why would God be interested in a no mark like Mother Theresa, anywhere in heaven or earth, when he could have the full attention of such a chosen one somewhere to the south of Horsforth?

No, it's THE most trivial thing in the world, because it's between a fantacist and a sky pixie, the most important relationship you have is between you and your wife and family, maybe you should put as much effort into your personal relationships as you to do your hatred of other people.



You are about as Christian as Hitler was Jewish.

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Your god falls short of my mark on many occasions.



Your god sits by and watches poverty, famine, disease and war in his name bring death, disfigurement and wretchedness to billions of people, all of whom were apparently made by him in his own image.



Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life within a woman only to see that new life unable to sustain itself outside the womb due to a spectacular lack of attention paid by him during its creation, and he tells those of you who have the benefit of his spoken word inside your head that its a trial for the parents to forbear - thats just pure evil.



Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life only to afflict it with a life threatening disease in its early years and he removes that young life from millions of proud and happy parents every year, then during their absolute grief tells them via people like yourself that its just something they'll have to live with and can get over it by loving him instead - thats just pure evil.



I don't think you're following a good, loving, caring sort of god at all, I think you're following the devil.

Mac you write plenty of good posts, but that is still one of your best.

Their book shows them that this isn't the case, they would gladly kill their own flesh and blood at gods command.



What was poor Isaac thinking as Abraham held the knife at his throat. Some Creator.

All getting a tad rabid now. I think we've all got the gist of both sides of the argument.

It started getting 'a tad rabid' 101 pages ago with the OP. Why would you expect it to stop now.



McF sums it up perfectly.



Either Kirkstaller's god is not ominpresent, omniscient and omnipotent or.....





...he's the most rabid b#stard of all.

I take it these are the questions you keep rabbitting on about?







It was an act of great blasphemy. The Bible tells us there is a heaven and a hell. Where do you think he ended up?







Not physically impotent, it's more about the definition of murder. Murder can only be committed by people. Like I said earlier, you would label a shark, a tarantula or prostate cancer a murderer. Murder has only ever existed between men, since Cain and Abel in fact.



If you say he is not omnipotent due to this, then I wish to remind you that true omnipotence would allow God to overcome logical and definitional paradoxes.







See above. Good luck on trying to secure that conviction on spontaneous human combustion.

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