Wasn't it a case anyway with McGuire that post his serious knee injury and he struggled that people said he'd been too reliant on his speed and not learnt to become a more rounded HB? He has developed this over the last couple of seasons now though.



If Lilley knows he can't rely on speed from the start then what's to stop him from working on other attributes and ending up being a more rounded and better HB because of that?

It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case.

I've always thought Gale a decent SH, but he has far exceeded even my estimation of his quality. But this is the first time he has had a settled run in a quality side. It's an obvious but fair comparison. However, unless Lilley is a bit overawed by his surroundings he has shown not an inkling of anything above the ordinary in all the games I have seen him.

Sutcliffe didn't criticise Lilley. At the touchscreen Sutty didn't come over as the sharpest tool in the box on any of his comments and when asked to talk through the build up to Lilley's good kick he said he would have passed which rather shows why we are lacking at SO.

The best 7's have always been quick though. Even the likes of Andy Gregory or Alfie Langer could shift over 10-15 metres if you took your eye off them. But depends what you are expecting. Seems some people have high expectations based on who we've had the last decade or so. Tough on a kid like Lilley. Long way to go for him yet.

Quote William Eve="William Eve"It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case.'" If only he could do what your favourite SBW did whilst playing international RL. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ok-AIOF-wiM

Quote William Eve="William Eve"It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case.'" If only he could do what your favourite SBW did whilst playing international RL. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ok-AIOF-wiM

Agree he got his nose through the line a bit, still raw but think has fair bit of potential. Making an error and then trying too hard to make up for it with a daft shoulder charge at least showed a bit of passion and desire to make amends for team. think he could be useful if brought on slowly - which if he plays of bench is guaranteed!

Aware that some posters have referred to you as Jeff and some stated you are very personable and engaging, however I am finding this hard to believe. I only know one person who constantly moans with such high quality and attention to detail, the mother-in-law, Molly is it really you? I know we have not had a conversation in the last 4 years but I did'nt want to interrupt. Really pleased you have got a new hobby, xx

He said he thought he should have put it through the hands. That isn't a criticism of Lilley, it's Sutcliffe saying he would have taken a different decision. Interesting that you've chosen to describe Sutcliffe in such derogatory terms, just to support your opinion. For "not the sharpest tool in the box" he's certainly shown plenty of game intelligence at different times in his career.



Watch it back, there's a decoy runner (Ferres?) who just impedes a sliding defender enough for Lilley to get on his outside shoulder. This attracts in the defender next to McGillvray. At that point, having engaged the defender, Lilley could have passed and given Keinhorst a 2 on 1 with Hall outside him and just McGillvray to beat.



That was the easier option and probably the percentage play, rather than the kick. In hindsight it came up for him. Doesn't mean it was the correct decision to make at the time.

The way Hall played on Friday perhaps the kick for Keinhorst was the percentage play after all.

The greatest English half-backs I've seen were Alex Murphy and Roger Millward, they were both crafty with the ball and devastating runners when a gap appeared.



To be both as a teenager is rare and perhaps asking too much but without some basic pace I think he's unlikely to survive long enough to develop the requisite skills at this level.

If you ever discover the capability for looking outside the Rhinos/SL bubble of mediocrity in your assessment of players, feel free to engage me in discussion. Moreover, if you discover any evidence of Sinfield's world class attributes and stellar international career, please do let me know.