I think cas have good chance to make the grand final. Winning it is another matter. At wembly cas had stage fright. As powell quite rightly commented cas were nervous in the extreme.

Next time out cas will be up for it.

Whilst benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing, looking at last nights match and the supreme effort we put in, I thought back to the relative easy points we spurned at london, wakey and the bulls match.

This is not a criticism of Mac it's merely an observation of life's twist and turns. Our last two matches will be energy sapping hard matches, at Wigan and and Hull were we are loved and acclaimed not!!.

no idea how you work out that out that Saints and Cas can not make the GF Saints have already done the double over Leeds and Cas have done the double over Wigan in matter fact I would say Leeds are the toughest position they look like there going to finish 6th and I don't think even this leeds side can win it from 6TH.

We all have opinions but the bookies back me up and on betfair you can get 16/1 against Cas winning it and nearly 6/1 against Saints whilst LEEDS and WIGAN are both less than 5/2

Have you not learnt anything from past years

well your capable but it is massive ask this year you been good on the big day but you not been consistent enough but like most things we will after wait and see.

The playoffs are a different kettle of fish mate.

Don't think Saints are good enough to win it but I wouldn't write Cas off completely.

We will indeed. I've been watching an inconsistent side for much of the last decade. Strangely, we've still managed the odd final appearance and even the occasional trophy during that time

Why can't Saints win it? Certain posters on here have being saying for weeks now that Saints would be losing due to their injuries. Obviously having no idea of the Saints players other than those injured. And yet they have kept winning.



Only time will tell whether it happens, but can't see how they are written off. Injury hit or not have they have beaten Leeds twice this year, despite at times having big territory in the game against them.

Anything can happen over 80 minutes and we do stand a chance of winning it. My worry is that our game is solely based on attempting to bully teams off the park by having as many big lads on the field as possible. You saw last night we have very little creativity in the backs and our chances rest with James Roby being able to create something out of dummy half on the back of good go forward. If we get to Old Trafford on a big wide pitch I'd fear for us. Especially against Wigan who would match us up front and have more guile in the outside backs.



If it had stayed 13 aside last night, we'd have lost by 20.

you forgot to mention when we beat them at langtree park earlier in the season...we had 8 1st teamers missing as well!......

I'm not sure you can say that with any degree of certainty. Before Moon went off wasn't the score 0-2 to us or had it moved up to 2 all by then? I think the try came after we lost Percival. And don't forget Percival. He is one of our few remaining attacking threats and certainly our only remaining strike centre (as well as our best goal kicker) but we had to stick LMS in there because our other strike centre is being used as a combo 13/6. We were then also one down on the subs too which wouldn't have helped us either. So while Leeds and all the pundits can go on about Leeds being one man down throughout the game, we also lost a man and a valuable one at that.