don't have a problem with BOTD per se, as long as it's a clear and consistent rule. That being, that referees when going to the VR are saying they believe a try has been scored, and are looking for a clear reason to disallow, in the absence of which the try will be awarded.



Clear for everyone, and reduces the stupid amount of time spent on the VR.

BOTD is when you can't prove they haven't scored. In this instance it was clear from the second showing. Had it not been Bentham it was a no try.

What with Westwood's second try, nobody has mentioned Westwood's first try, which confused me.



Westwood was stopped by another superb Hardaker tackle, put the ball down short of the line, picked it up again and plonked it over. At no point did the ball-carrying arm hit the floor, but the ball did.



Cummings on the commentary said that it's the ball-carrying arm that has to hit the floor for it to be a double-movement. but 1) is this correct? 2) if it is correct then why? He grounds the ball in a completed tackle then regrounds it further on, there's no substantive difference to double movement.

Well my side are not even in the play-offs, so I am not quite sure what you are chuntering about.

Nor could they be since they are in the division below.



I like Leeds, I like Warrington, I wasn't bothered who won, but I am bothered about shoite refereeing.

I hope that clears that up.

It was mentioned in my original post, hence the point of it all.

Yep, I thought he said if the ball touches the ground it's tackle complete, and it did. Dodgy play the ball for the Grix try too. Also there is a Warrington player in the tackle for Westwoods second preventing Hall from getting in and securing the ball which the V.R. took no notice of but Cummings alluded to.



Yeah maybe we got some poor calls but I really don't get the impression Leeds were really that desperate to win. Once the score drifted Leeds played for fun. Should we get past Saint's I think we will see a different mentality from Leeds.

Ok. Didn't know when you made the post and thought it referred to the second try.

No worries mate.

I thought the benefit of the doubt reference would have made it clear I was talking about the benefit of the doubt .

Edit...

Having read your post again we are talking about different trIes.

It's strange but when I was saying about the refs been bent I was laughed off here, suppose it depends who the calls are going against.



I'll just quote what I was told the refs are not biased and do a very tough job, some calls go against ya but evens itself out over the 80 minutes.



Best team won get over it, I'm over Wigan beating us now, they were best team as well, good luck in the losers playoff

Refs aren't bent.

They are inconsistent.

What I can't understand with the BOTD is the VR doesn't have the same access to the game as the muppets do in the studio ie the zoom picture, surely it's the same sky cameras or is he looking at it through his own camcorder???



As for Briers the guy is a coward there's no doubt he should have been sent from the field if not permanently and if my interpretation of the rules are correct that's what should have happened or almost certainly for 10 minutes ala Bailey/Blanche the other week. The inconsistency in the officials decisions this season is bizarre, one mans sending off is another mans "don't do it again Lee"

Briers did what Bailey does on a regular basis, he's there to Wind folks up and worked a treat cos Wire won the game, Ablett has previous form for this sort of thing when Wardle got sent off against you guys for punching him (was Child the ref then too?), to be fair Ablett and Leeds got what they deserved.