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| Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"
Just getting all misty eyed again, isn't it great that we can even consider winning the big trophy's, what would southstander.com be like if the interweb was alive in the 80s and early 90s.'" It most certainly is. This is a very special time to be a Leeds fan and a very special group of players..............and Ian Kirke.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"I don't know whether you've been to the new Wembley before but if you haven't you will find the atmosphere outside the stadium to be a a crushing disappointment.'"
last year it was buzzing outside wembley. think it might just been when you went there but it was a great experience going down there outside the stadium and init. hopefully the better team wins on saturday and it's one of thebest finals ever.
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| Quote BaldRick="BaldRick"In order of importance (my opinion)
League leaders . Finish top over 27 rounds and =#FF4000you are the champions of SL
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No you're not and for the very simple reason that the rules before a ball is kicked at the start of the season says so.
Change those rules and we'd have a different emphasis on league games and potentially a different outcome come the end of the 27 rounds.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"No you're not and for the very simple reason that the rules before a ball is kicked at the start of the season says so.
Change those rules and we'd have a different emphasis on league games and potentially a different outcome come the end of the 27 rounds.'"
Completely agree mate the path to be Champions is very clear and the best way to go about it imo whilst the fixtures remain unbalanced and the play-off system remains in place.
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| I posted the following on the VT which sums up how I feel about the CC compared to the GF.
Quote El Pac Carnegie="El Pac Carnegie"
I've been to both finals and I find the GF to be the one that really gets the juices flowing. The CC is a nice day out but defeat in it, while painful, is nothing on losing a GF. With the CC there's always the thought that there's the GF to come for redemption. The GF is do or die and decides the champion team of the year. As has been said earlier I'd rather see us lose Saturday and win the GF than the other way round.'"
Exactly... 2005 for example.
I left the Cup Final feeling slightly disappointed at our last minute loss to Hull but soon got over it on the way home. Contrast this to my feeling of total devastation at the final hooter in Old Trafford against the Bulls. I felt that the Bulls had been nowhere near us all year only to snatch it off us when it really counted. I have never been as gutted after losing a game as I was that night.
Also I was at the cup final in '99 that we won and as good as the day was and as nice as it was to win ATEOTD it was just the cup to me. Again contrast this to 2004 when McGuire went over to seal the title with a few minutes left and its the only time I have ever cried at a rugby league game.
For me its the SL Title every time.
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| Being Champions is and always has been the bigger achievement but in the nations mind it was the Challenge Cup that got the sport noticed and an audience. The Grand Final has righted that wrong to some extent (although it's still restricted from the majority of the population by subscription) by raising the profile of becoming the Champions.
The Cup has always been secondary but it's still something every club and probably every true supporter wants to be involved in and win if at all possible.
The current timing of the comp in the modern game remains a problem for the sport though IMO as it's just much too close to the Play-Offs commencing.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Being Champions is and always has been the bigger achievement but in the nations mind it was the Challenge Cup that got the sport noticed and an audience. The Grand Final has righted that wrong to some extent (although it's still restricted from the majority of the population by subscription) by raising the profile of becoming the Champions.
The Cup has always been secondary but it's still something every club and probably every true supporter wants to be involved in and win if at all possible.
The current timing of the comp in the modern game remains a problem for the sport though IMO as it's just much too close to the Play-Offs commencing.'"
But it was changed I believe at the request of the clubs because it was previously too near the start of the season.
I agree, though, that now it's too near the playoffs which can (for the successful clubs & their fans) turn into an extremely expensive few weeks.
The problem is I guess other events in the sporting calendar.
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"But it was changed I believe at the request of the clubs because it was previously too near the start of the season.
I agree, though, that now it's too near the playoffs which can (for the successful clubs & their fans) turn into an extremely expensive few weeks.
The problem is I guess other events in the sporting calendar.'"
Pre SL the Challenge Cup final was in early May and the 'Premiership' play off final in late May, so there's in fact a bigger gap between the two finals now than there was in that era.
And to those posters giving many a reason as to why the GF is more important: I agree with you, but the thread only asks if the Cup is [iimportant [/i- and there is absolutely no doubt that it is.
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| Quote Asgardian13="Asgardian13"Pre SL the Challenge Cup final was in early May and the 'Premiership' play off final in late May, so there's in fact a bigger gap between the two finals now than there was in that era.
And to those posters giving many a reason as to why the GF is more important: I agree with you, but the thread only asks if the Cup is [iimportant [/i- and there is absolutely no doubt that it is.'"
I was talking specifically about the Superleague era.
Previously the premiership was almost an afterthought, the league leadership seemed to be more important at least in my eyes.
The cup was almost on a par with that too.
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| Quote Asgardian13="Asgardian13"Pre SL the Challenge Cup final was in early May and the 'Premiership' play off final in late May, so there's in fact a bigger gap between the two finals now than there was in that era. '"
The Premiership didn't quite carry the same prestige as the SL Champions Trophy that culminates the modern era season. Leeds won it twice and while it's always nice to pick up a trophy it didn't rescue otherwise disappointing seasons anymore than an early season Yorkshire Cup would. On occassions there were two days between rounds of the competition as happened to Leeds in '75 or a round would be played the week before the Challenge Cup Final with teams choosing to field a scratchy side with eyes elsewhere.
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| Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Its important...to the club financially... to the players for the prestige....to the fans for a great day out...
but its still secondary these days to the GF'"
Agreed.
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| CC cup every time, the true champions are the team who finish top after 28 rounds.
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