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| how people call him a "leeds" ref ill never know
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| Steve Ganson is why you lost not Silverwood! Stitched right up
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Both the red card and the last minute scrum were down to the video-ref, not Silverwood.
The Hohaia ball-strip was a mistake (though it was one-on-one and probably went backward).'"
Why can the video ref send a player off now but they mainly go on report when they can't see usually. It was a penalty at most games going soft
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| Quote rollin thunder="rollin thunder"Why can the video ref send a player off now but they mainly go on report when they can't see usually. It was a penalty at most games going soft'"
it was a red.
but this raises a good point. normally it would be a on report, yet suddenly the VR can tell the ref its a red card? i think thats brilliant and should be used more ofter (we wont ever see it again btw) that way it by passes the shambles that is the on report function. at least saints got the benefit not wigan/hull.
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| I believe Mr Silverwood is a Leeds fan, that's good news!!! as I dread to think how many 50/50 calls we would have had tonight otherwise. Lets hope we have the pleasure of his company again in the play offs? or will he be dropped like players who have a poor game? At least he made the night for Phil Clarke and the rest of the impartial team on Sky, and also he will have cheered up Eamon McManus, as they will now likely have the Hub Cap to put in the empty trophy cabinet. Can't wait till we meet again in the play offs!!! 
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| The red card should be the onfield ref's decision. Moot point here, as once the VR tells him it's a shoulder charge to the head, there's no decision to make.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"The red card should be the onfield ref's decision. Moot point here, as once the VR tells him it's a shoulder charge to the head, there's no decision to make.'"
I've only briefly seen a replay (just back from my holidays!) So this is a genuine question.... was it actually intended to be a shoulder charge? I thought it looked like a case of bad timing by Moon combined with Perceval falling forwards in the tackle. If so then it seemed a harsh (but not necessarily unwarranted) red card.
I think plenty of worse challenges escape punishment and suspect the injury was the key factor in the red (not something I generally agree with as intent should be the key factor)
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| Quote Omar Little="Omar Little"I've only briefly seen a replay (just back from my holidays!) So this is a genuine question.... was it actually intended to be a shoulder charge? I thought it looked like a case of bad timing by Moon combined with Perceval falling forwards in the tackle. If so then it seemed a harsh (but not necessarily unwarranted) red card.
I think plenty of worse challenges escape punishment and suspect the injury was the key factor in the red (not something I generally agree with as intent should be the key factor)'"
It was an automatic red these days. A couple of years ago, pre ban, it would have probably been let go with Moon back slapped by his team mates for forcing the mistake. But when you look at the replay, it's a classic shoulder charge, there is a lazy attempt to get the hands up but the point of the shoulder impacts first and very cleanly with the cheek bone. For me it doesn't matter what the arms are doing, it's the point of contact that the problem. It was a challenge Moon should have stayed out of, there wasn't enough of Percival available for him to have any sort of meaningful shot on him as he was wrapped up well by other players. The head was the only real target. Moon isn't a dirty player, but hasn't he been sent off before? A nice 2 game rest before the play offs is probably in order.
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| I don't think Moon has actually 'charged' him though. He's stopped still and awaited the impact but admittedly with his arm/shoulder facing the Saints lad.....bit like Bailey on Mauire at Knowsley Road a few years back. As Percival's getting tackled his head is lower than it would've been.
That's why I'm still not sure about it, he doesn't run and charged into the lad, he let's the guy run at him and his arm.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"I don't think Moon has actually 'charged' him though. He's stopped still and awaited the impact but admittedly with his arm/shoulder facing the Saints lad.....bit like Bailey on Mauire at Knowsley Road a few years back. As Percival's getting tackled his head is lower than it would've been.
That's why I'm still not sure about it, he doesn't run and charged into the lad, he let's the guy run at him and his arm.'"
You'll see similiar many times over the next few weeks an no one will bat an eyelid.
Yet silverwood has taken it upon himself to go to the screen, and then have him sent off. Why don't they simply go to the screen everytime instead of putting someone on report like the always do?
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| Quote FlexWheeler="FlexWheeler"You'll see similiar many times over the next few weeks an no one will bat an eyelid.
Yet silverwood has taken it upon himself to go to the screen, and then have him sent off. Why don't they simply go to the screen everytime instead of putting someone on report like the always do?'"
I only saw the last 30mins so missed the incident but could I speculate that the only difference is that there was a resulting injury...(
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| Felt a bit sorry for Leeds fan Mr Silverwood when he had to send one of his pals off
VR and Sky to blame for me
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