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| Hopefully the max points deduction is a green light to tip the wink to staff and suppliers that they'll get paid and then tell the Bank and the Tax man to shove it!
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| Quote bellycouldtackle="bellycouldtackle" I think a bit of humility and gratitude is in order from bradford fans'"
Careful, i'm sure some Bradford fans are already in agreement with you.
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| Can the 6 pts be appealled against if new owners came in and paid debts off like in wakefield crusaders case?
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| Quote bellycouldtackle="bellycouldtackle"But unkind to slag the RFL off when you remember that they leant you £ 750,000.00 on January 2011 to keep you going, then when the repayments on this loan were not made they worked with you to find a way forward, as a result thaey agreed to pay you £ 1,500,000.00 plus vat for the Odsal lease, they contrad the original £ 750,000.00 and paid over to you £ 750,000.00 plus the vat on £ 1,500.000.00. I think you have to agree that the above shiowed great faith towards Bradford from the RFL. On top of this the SL have pre paid sky monies to you, a company in administration on the verge of liquidation, to pay wages. I think a bit of humility and gratitude is in order from bradford fans towards the games authorities instead of silly name calling. It is the rest of the game that should be asking questions of the RFL to find out why such finacial support was offered to an obviously failing business.'"
They didn't give me or anyone else on here a penny. They apparently paid over 700k without an audit of the books, then a similar amount for the lease, then stood by whilst 'we' handed over another 500k which went to same way as the £1.5 million - a situation one might reasonably expect to have been avoided had the RFL sent the accountants in.
I'm not grateful. I'm appalled at the both the startling failure of governance and that the RFL are complicit in this fiasco.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Sorry but nonsense. That would only make sense if the penalty was imposed once there was a new owner. It doesn't make any sense to impose a penalty based on the prospective "intentions" of someone who at date of penalty has absolutely no connection whatsoever with the penalised club.'"
Perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could.
My reading of the situation is that the RFL are basing the penalty on the terms of ABC's proposal, one of which will have been how they intend to deal with creditors; that will have been included in the offer they received yesterday.
If I'm right, it could suggest that they're close to agreeing a deal with ABC; the full 6 points indicates a newco is on the cards, making little or no payment to creditors and being allowed to take over the Bulls SL licence for the remainder of this franchise period.
I guess the thorny issue is the Odsal lease, which is very difficult; the RFL obfuscated themselves into a corner with their 'iconic stadia' rhetoric and as a result, ABC could find that there is very little room for negotiation on that front - if the RFL don't realise at least the purchase price, it could be a PR disaster.
Just thinking aloud really - either way up, I hope it's resolved soon; as usual, it's the fans who suffer for the failures of paid officers of both the club and the governing body.
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| its 6 points as going into administration occurred during the season it has nothing to do with debts owed etc wakey and crusaders were deducted 4 points as they went into administration in the off season IIRC
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| Quote Adam79="Adam79"Can the 6 pts be appealled against if new owners came in and paid debts off like in wakefield crusaders case?'"
I think its reasonable to assume that the ABC consortium do not intend to do so. Remember, the RFL have seen their offer - and they've imposed the maximum 6 points having had sight of it yesterday
Seems pretty obvious what that means for the creditors
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| Quote paulwalker71="paulwalker71"I think its reasonable to assume that the ABC consortium do not intend to do so. Remember, the RFL have seen their offer - and they've imposed the maximum 6 points having had sight of it yesterday
Seems pretty obvious what that means for the creditors'"
But what about if xyz consortium came in and bought the bulls with the intention of paying the debts off?
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| Quote wolfinwidnes="wolfinwidnes"its 6 points as going into administration occurred during the season it has nothing to do with debts owed etc wakey and crusaders were deducted 4 points as they went into administration in the off season IIRC'"
total cobblers. Its an automatic 6 point deduction for entering admin then RFL have discretion to reduce the penalty dependent on amount of debt repaid. Spelled out in operational rules. Crusaders and wakey going into admin in off season had nothing to do with them only getting 4 pts. Their repayment of a suitable percentage of the old companies respective debts caused the reduction in the points deductions.
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Quote BBC="BBC"The six-point penalty is two points more than Wakefield and Crusaders were given when they went into administration and is the largest the RFL could have handed out.
Bulls interim chief executive Gary Tasker said: "We expected a deduction of points by the RFL and we of course accept that penalty. We are not yet in a position to be able to offer any recompense to our creditors and as such a six-point deduction was what we expected.'"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18981223
This would suggest it’s relative to the proportion of debt that is to be paid off.
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Quote BBC="BBC"The six-point penalty is two points more than Wakefield and Crusaders were given when they went into administration and is the largest the RFL could have handed out.
Bulls interim chief executive Gary Tasker said: "We expected a deduction of points by the RFL and we of course accept that penalty. We are not yet in a position to be able to offer any recompense to our creditors and as such a six-point deduction was what we expected.'"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18981223
This would suggest it’s relative to the proportion of debt that is to be paid off.
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| Quote vbfg="vbfg"They are also, like you,[u s[/u. Especially if they are basing their decisions, as you suppose, on who is in the league based on the frustrated outbursts of fans on an internet forum.'"
How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting. 
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| Quote Bubbashrimp="Bubbashrimp"How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting.
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And I'm sure you reposting it and helpfully underlining the offending word has really helped limit the impact. 
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