My point is that based on what did happen, McGuire pays no price, and his team reaps a rich reward. What is the consequence for a player doing what McGuire did? Answer: None. Do you think that is right?





Yep.

And I do understand that. Your analogy with the football and handballing on the line is a perfect one I think. The Uruguay/Ghana World Cup Quarter Final springs to mind where that foul on the line in the last minute put Uruguay through to the Semi Finals. Had he not done it, Ghana would have gone through. While you can't really blame the player for doing it (Who wouldn't accept a penalty and ban as the price for putting the team through?), it did need to be punished.



Had it been clear that Wigan would have scored from that play, and the foul had stopped that, I would agree, it needed to be punished properly. However I don't believe Carmont would have caught up anyway, so a penalty was enough for mine.

how about carry over sin bins? if you get sin binned with less than 10 minutes to go then you have to miss the remaining time on their next match? it would mean that a sin bin would take the full effect but then the whole meaning of a sin bin gets changed.



I can't see it happening but it would make the start of the next match interesting

Too many admin issues. This would be the perfect example, as if McGuire missed the next game due to injury, what happens to his sin bin? If it sticks with him, will Leeds wait until they're playing a lesser side before playing him, so that it doesn't have so much of an effect.



Would have the same problems as "on report" I think where the team the foul is committed against doesn't get the benefit.

Exactly, I'm not sure that is what FA is saying though, although there is no point in arguing with him as he will keep replying with ever longer posts until no-one can remember what the original issue was.



It wouldn't have made any difference if McGuire hadn't fouled Carmont. Neither Wigan player had the legs to go all the way and there was simply not enough time left for another play if they had been tackled further into the Leeds half.



The frustrating thing from a Leeds point of view is that if we'd played out our 6 on the previous set instead of kicking on tackle 3 there would have been no controversy and McGuire would be fit.



What does FA think about the kick from Joel Tomkins from his 'Yorkshire' viewpoint, or the repeated penalties won by his brother by conning the ref? Don't say it would have been above board if this had happened against Bradford! This far outweighs what McGuire did.

Take for example that Carmont WOULD have caught up, and that particular foul had stopped Wigan scoring. It would mean that by committing a deliberate foul, McGuire had ensured Leeds won the match instead of Wigan. That's about as much a professional foul as you can get, and therefore I agree, would very much deserve further punishment than just a penalty. That's the point he's making I believe.









Incidentally, I think the Joel Tomkins thing was nothing. He was reacting to being elbowed in the tackle by McGuire, and barely did anything. Had he kicked him flush in the head, fair enough, but he didn't. He flicked his leg out and barely touched him. IMO more is being made of that than needs to be too.

I won't.





So McGuire fouled for . . . for no reason at all? An interesting POV.





Stupid, but hardly a "kick" and made none or minimal contact, and had no effect on the game. I would've sinbinned him for 10. (could also place on report). I would hate it if we ended up with farcical "automatic sending off" like in where you graze someone's cheek with your hand, they writhe in agony as if shot with an elephant gun, and a red card is brandished. But it did not have any effect on the match.





If you buy into the claim that a SL player can't actually TRY to remove his arm because it is "clamped". I don't. But these were not decisive incidents in the dying minutes and for infringements in general play I reckon over 80 minutes both teams will pretty much commit or get away with a broadly similar number.



I reckon if I was reffing the game, I would be able to see if Sinfield was doing his best to extricate his arm and get away from the tackle, and was being hampered beyond his ability to cope with it. Why did Sinfield only start whingeing after the pen was given? Answer: he was extremely happy for the tackle to take as long as it took, the longer the better.





On some planets, if there is an infinite number, I suppose it even might!

I think it's even more simple.



Any player in McGuire's position would have committed the same act (whether it was actually intentional or not). If it happened in the 4 Nations and an England player carried out the same "act" on Inlgis, then I would cheer wholeheartedly. I have no interest on someones perception of that. It's sport where teams play to win no matter what. Folk need to step off the white cloud about "spirit of the game". What is actually happening is the jaundiced one-eyed club stance is taking shape. Pity, because it detracts from a super spectacle.



McGuire cheated no more than any other SL player who concedes a penalty whether through holding down, offside, head shot or otherwise. The essense remains the same, to gain unfair advantage. Whether that is the first second or the last second.



The holier than thou view of the incident is pish poor.

Yes, precisely, this can be the only reason McGuire did it, he perceived the opportunity and chose to prevent it. He should receive a penalty based on what he did, and shouldn't be allowed any "yes but what if"s in mitigation.





Yep.

I remember Wally Lewis pulling Martin Offiah back, but have never read one word of objection to that. His action had no affect on the outcome of the game, just as McGuire's didn't. A shame that McGuire's antics distract from another brilliant performance by him.

Or Mal Meninga shoving Carl Gibson out of the way at Old Trafford in last minute, thus leading to a winning try.

Absolutely not.









Couldn't disagree more.





Yes, in the same way the BrinksMat robbery is a criminal offence exactly the same as picking up a 5p you see someone drop. Everything is the same. All tries are the same, all tackles are the same, every disciplinary offence is exactly alike. If there ever was a post destroying credibility, yours would be it.