Shocking from one of the games "top" clubs. m.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/art ... 80&ref=rss And at risk of incurring the wrath of Wiganers the mind boggles how Flower is still allowed to play the game.

Shocking from one of the games "top" clubs. m.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/art ... 80&ref=rss And at risk of incurring the wrath of Wiganers the mind boggles how Flower is still allowed to play the game.

Few things to question from that article.







Is this normal for a RL player? Six nose breaks in one season sounds excessive?







Was this happening before the Flower incident or only after?







The Doctor that evaluated him for his HIA in that game needs re-assessing, that's very poor.







Also very poor.



Brave of him to speak out about it, and obviously a sad end to his career but his health comes first. It's commendable that he's forgiven Flower however I'm massively surprised that the Saints club have let him down.

If what he says is true about St. Helens thats a pretty disgraceful way to treat a player. They should have given him time to heal if that's what he said he needed. Regardless of whether there was a physical problem it's clear their was a psychological one. Sounds like they just wanted an excuse to get rid.

ST HELENS TOTALLY REFUTE LANCE HOHAIA'S GROSSLY INACCURATE ASSERTIONS www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5791 Crikey

ST HELENS TOTALLY REFUTE LANCE HOHAIA'S GROSSLY INACCURATE ASSERTIONS www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5791 Crikey

Very big of Flower to apologise by text message. Nearly as manly as punching a defenseless man on the floor. I can just imagine the text "ee ar m8, big soz bout the punch lols"



Huddersfield - Small time club anyway, doesnt surprise me they would lower themselves to something like that



If its true what he said about my club, St Helens then heads need to roll because its disgusting. I would like to think a professional sports club would not act like that and I hope they didnt but time will tell.



Regards



King James

So it doesn't surprise you Huddersfield "lower themselves" im not sure what the "like that" comment was referring to- it's not like the key play makers aren't made to take the big hits every week. but as you say time will tell with saints??? Nice to try and shift the blame to such a "small time club".



Incidentally there were 7 incidents in front of the disciplinary from that game, none involving lance, 4 were looking at saints players conduct including the Masoe sending off so there was nothing hudds players "lowered themselves to - we will leave that to the "big time clubs".

Really strong response from St Helens with a hint of legal action. Unless it's true and he can prove it I'm not sure what Hohia is trying to achieve.

How am I shifting blame? I already stated if Saints are guilty then heads need to roll. Im confused?



Regards



King james

Perhaps he's just trying to achieve clubs looking after the wellbeing of their players and making them think about how they treat them. Like state of mind do.

How can you possibly draw that conclusion from one quote; you have no facts to hand to form that conclusion? I wonder if said doctor would be happy that you are questioning his credentials/medical reputation on a public forum?







How do you know? You simply cannot make that assessment from a couple of quotes from an article.



I am not surprised in the slightest that Saints have reacted in this manner because it will mean that people like you will think negatively of the club!







It's incredibly damaging to Saints' reputation and standing in the game. Fair enough highlighting issues, but not at the cost of someone's reputation.



Unless Hohaia is able to provide any evidence I can't see how anyone can form any view on this

It's a horrible situation but one where if anyone is facing court action, it should be Ben Flower.



Lance is clearly feeling hard done to about the situation but if you read what is in the public domain, it's not hard to picture a difficult situation. It's not hard to imagine Hohaia, concerned for his career and wanting to prove himself at Saints, not disclosing his symptoms fully to the medical staff. He is quoted as saying he feared having to retire and it's not hard to imagine a player, particularly with the macho culture in league that there is still, keeping the severity of his injury to himself. It seems there was a level of concern from Saints, he is quoted as saying he was given a game off and sent for tests. That doesn't sound like a club which isn't supporting it's players or looking after their welfare. It's also not hard to imagine those tests coming back with no conclusive indication of a problem. If the club was unaware of the severity of his symptoms and the tests were clear, it's not hard to image the club pushing him to return. It's also not hard to imagine them being puzzled when Hohaia asked for an extended, and paid, leave. It's also not hard to imagine the press warping what Hohaia had said.



I really hope this doesn't go any further. Hohaia had a great league career and always seemed a genuinely nice guy. As a Saints fan, I really don't the allegations to be true.

Hohaia has already pretty much questioned it in the article where he states that he had an HIA and was allowed to re-enter the game despite still suffering from concussion symptoms.



All you Saints fans are bothered about is the reputation of your club.