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| Quote ROBINSON="ROBINSON"The RFL apparently made something like £8m profit last year, which begs the question of what they're going to do with that money.
My view is that certainly, some should go into marketing, but surely that's an ideal deposit (even more so if they can continue to make that kind of money over the next two or three years) against being able to create an 'RFL Stadium'.
OK - our international game isn't big enough yet but why not play ALL England matches at our stadium, just like the Rah Rahs do with Twickenham, and the wendyballers at with Wembley?
Surely also there would be opportunities for corporate hospitality, rock concerts, other sports, conferences and what have you. I don't think there is any reason not to pursue it, and I have to say, i worry about the day coming - and it WILL - when Man Utd say we can't use their ground any more. What happens then?
There is also no doubt that our own stadium would raise the game's profile immensely, just by it being there.
The main questions would be capacity; no point building anything bigger than 50 or 60k, and location. But surely, Manchester or thereabouts, as Britain's second city, already home of the Grand Final, and close to the heartlands would have to be a front runner.
Knowing the RFL, though, they'd probably want it in either Leeds which although very nice is hardly the centre of the earth or very 'cool', or they'd want it in Huddersfield or somewhere else equally non-descript.'"
It will never happen, but if it did i'd build it in East Manchester, maybe the Oldham side of the city centre. Easy access for the Yorkies and Lancs. Let Oldham play there to keep the stadium ticking over and give a forgotten team a home.
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| The question needs to be "what will the stadium do for the 359 days a year that it won't be used for"?
Modern stadiums are seven day a week operations - just look at the facilities at Warrington (NHS centre) or Leeds (University campus, 30+ room hotel and conferencing centre) and other grounds that have facilities completely or largely unconnected to the playing of sport - that's how modern stadia finance themselves.
Is there a gap in the market in the northern conferencing / banqueting / hospitality market? Is there a need for (and finance for) another NHS centre or government department? Is the live music industry poorly catered for in the north? I don't think that you can answer yes to all of those questions.
At the moment, I think people are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. IIRC, we have a long-term deal and a good relationship with Manchester United, we have little trouble finding semi-final venues (and what trouble we do have is being rectified by new builds at Salford and St Helens) and the RFL is a stakeholder in Wembley National Stadium.
And do we really want the national side being "based" at one location (like the England football team)? Shouldn't the 'England' team be for everybody to watch, rather than a few people in one location? (IMO, England football was much better for the fans when they were 'on tour' during Wembley's closure, like many other national teams do, even if they did end up residing in Manchester towards the end).
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| Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"The question needs to be "what will the stadium do for the 359 days a year that it won't be used for"?
Modern stadiums are seven day a week operations - just look at the facilities at Warrington (NHS centre) or Leeds (University campus, 30+ room hotel and conferencing centre) and other grounds that have facilities completely or largely unconnected to the playing of sport - that's how modern stadia finance themselves.
Is there a gap in the market in the northern conferencing / banqueting / hospitality market? Is there a need for (and finance for) another NHS centre or government department? Is the live music industry poorly catered for in the north? I don't think that you can answer yes to all of those questions.
At the moment, I think people are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. IIRC, we have a long-term deal and a good relationship with Manchester United, we have little trouble finding semi-final venues (and what trouble we do have is being rectified by new builds at Salford and St Helens) and the RFL is a stakeholder in Wembley National Stadium.
And do we really want the national side being "based" at one location (like the England football team)? Shouldn't the 'England' team be for everybody to watch, rather than a few people in one location? (IMO, England football was much better for the fans when they were 'on tour' during Wembley's closure, like many other national teams do, even if they did end up residing in Manchester towards the end).'"
I agree current setup for finals is fine they just need to play the internationals at larger venues to attract more neutrals, i think playing one game at wembley is the rfl's attempt to "test the water" on this front IF they get a 40k crowd then i feel we will see more international games there and lets face it internationals at Wembley are a bigger headline grabber than playing them at a Hull or Wigan.
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| Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"The question needs to be "what will the stadium do for the 359 days a year that it won't be used for"?
Modern stadiums are seven day a week operations - just look at the facilities at Warrington (NHS centre) or Leeds (University campus, 30+ room hotel and conferencing centre) and other grounds that have facilities completely or largely unconnected to the playing of sport - that's how modern stadia finance themselves.
Is there a gap in the market in the northern conferencing / banqueting / hospitality market? Is there a need for (and finance for) another NHS centre or government department? Is the live music industry poorly catered for in the north? I don't think that you can answer yes to all of those questions.
At the moment, I think people are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. IIRC, we have a long-term deal and a good relationship with Manchester United, we have little trouble finding semi-final venues (and what trouble we do have is being rectified by new builds at Salford and St Helens) and the RFL is a stakeholder in Wembley National Stadium.
And do we really want the national side being "based" at one location (like the England football team)? Shouldn't the 'England' team be for everybody to watch, rather than a few people in one location? (IMO, England football was much better for the fans when they were 'on tour' during Wembley's closure, like many other national teams do, even if they did end up residing in Manchester towards the end).'"
Lease it to Cas, & Wakey. 
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| Quote Tigerpie="Tigerpie"The annual debacle/decision of where to play the semi finals of the CC has passed us again, we have international matches every other year, two big finals a year, CC and SL, with the lower division finals now on the calender at Blackpool, origin style game at Sheddingley.......
We need a home, just as the other code has.
Is anyone else out there sick of our sport having to beg soccer teams for a borrow of their stadiums?
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Correct, it would be the catalyst for proper international competition and fund huge development of the game.
The SRU make 3 times as much as the RFL because of Murrayfield
The WRU make 5 times as much as the RFL because of The Millenium
The RFU make 10 times as much as the RFL because of Twickenham
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| Maybe the fans should insist that the RFL franchise themselves and demand an international stadium to give the game some stature. A stadium on the outskirts of Huddersfield close to the M62 would suffice with a capacity of 30 000 for starters, to be shared by a superleague team Huddersfield and a championship team.
It dosn,t take much vision to build one, think the RFL should start finance one and cough up the necessary £30 million.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"I think for the past 100 + years you will find 99.9% of RL games are played in the North of England not in a rented one off ground 200 miles away. A national stadium should be in the very heart of where the game is played, unless you are a Harlequin fan of course.'"
I'm not talking about the last 100 years. I think you'll find that the percentage of RL games played in the North of England is above 50%, but I'd be surprised if it was above 75%. Don't suppose you're going to Bristol Sonics vs Northampton on Saturday, or Plymouth vs East Devon Eagles in the SW Cup Final on Sunday, though, otherwise we could discuss it in person.
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| The cost to build a new National stadium would be astronomical and out of the reach of the finances of the RFL. However, as one poster has mentioned and there is also another thread on the same subject, the Racecourse ground in Wrexham is up for sale for 2,000,000 for housing and the RFL already has a 750,000 lien on the property from the monies lent to the Crusaders. That would be very affordable and would be a lifeline for the Crusaders to enable them to continue operating. The RFL and the Welsh RFL could base world cup and four nations teams there, hold minor finals, e.g. Northern Rail cup or CC semi finals., saving themselves the cost of renting grounds from football. They could run the stadium for profit,organising concerts, maybe building squash courts, gymnasiuns etc to create other revenue streams.
Seeing s how they might lose their 750,000 if the whole operation at Wrexhan goes belly up the I think they should seriously have a look at what options and opportunities there are at the Racecourse ground.
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| I can't believe that people are suggesting that the RFL should build a 30,000 seater stadium, or buy the Crusaders stadium for that purpose. I also can't believe that someone has said that said stadium should be on the outskirts of HUDDERSFIELD. Are you out your tiny mind???
"And now to the RFL World Cup Final, live from Hudderdfield International Stadium." For Christ's sake.
If the RFL were to build one, it needs to be 60k so it can accommodate the Grand Final, other sports and rock concerts, needs to have state of the art conference and hospitality facilities and needs to be in Manchester. It's very simple.
Whether the RFL can afford it or not is another matter. And yet another matter is whether they would be inclined to, even if they COULD afford it.
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