That I can disagree with. Langley is miles behind Whiting. Just miles! Langley will defend well and cart the ball up, Whiting does so much more. Not wanting this to sound like a Whiting love in, but Hull are a much poorer team when he isn't in it.

I went on Sunday, and had to ask if Langley was even playing. I agree about Poore he could well play for a top 5 club but he isn't great. That said I would take him at Hull. As for Langley over Whiting

you're welcome to him. Whitings a fantastic player.

You certainly have a lot of big players, I was shocked at how big James Green is. He's huge! The Walker brothers are big lads too. Props is the strong postion for you but don't rate your back row there all grafters barring Cox who I don't rate too highly regardless. Lovegrove can't be held in high regard even by Sandercock as he was apparently offering him to Wakefield. Another who is poor in defence.

Your pack is what Hulls used to be, a pack full of workhorses with the odd impact player ala Manu/Cox.

Millwards prediction!



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Shocker Ian Millward ruling out Wigan and even more laughable Wigan over Achieved last season

. People keep saying wigan don't have the superstars but are just a consistent team and very well coached, ok so how come every season teams keep poaching our players?



When was the last time he predicated anything right?

Catalans have one of the best centre pairings in Super League with Ben Pomeroy joining Vincent Duport. A big power combo. First choice wingers will be Darryl Millard and Michael Oldfield, with Vaccari and Cardace in reserve. If Scott Dureau can fire this year as well as he did in 2012 then expect the Catalans backs to tear up the opposition.



That is why Catalans will be challenging for silverware this year.

I think they did no one expected them to win both cups, and during the season it didn't look like they would.

If the game was based solely on the quality of the 3/4 line, Leeds would walk it. Unfortunately/ fortunately, there are 9 other players on the pitch who will also have a say in the matter.

really? wigan was 6 points clear at the top of the league before the majority of the squad got injured. And when it truly mattered they beat all the top clubs. Didn't wigan also have the biggest points difference? when Wigan had the first team out they was defiantly the best team.

Simple answer is no they didn't, wire did. You have just answered the question, at the start of the season they along with 2-3 other clubs could have been there but when they started to get injuries they slipped and a know a few Wigan fans, deep down they wanted to win it all but not many thought they really would, you don't don't like anyone saying things that don't agree with Wigan do you, now they have lost Tomkins one players does not make a team and I cannot stand him, not because he plays for Wigan even though I hate them to, there was just something smarmy about his aura and the bandwagon.

They are big shoes to fill and when he was missing last year you did struggle, I'm not criticism anything bye they way just want to put a point across, towards the end of the season hardly any thought they would win both never mind beat wire in the final I was surprised they won both, maybe not the CC as hull were pants but to beat wire in the SL who I had tipped to win and got short odds on.

i said before last season more than once that we will be stronger and we would win silverware so i don't really care what other fans thought are chances were. shaun Wane and all the players said they will be aiming to win the grand final and they did. What did Wire do? We had already won the challenge cup and i believe we was still top of the league by a distance. I don't expect saints, leeds or warrington fans to say they reckon wigan will the grand final but that doesn't mean we over achieved just because other fans think they are experts on Wigan players.



Also what does Sam Tomkins have to do with the price of fish? but your right when he got injured we did struggle as the whole set up was to capitalize on Tomkins ability and Hampshire wasn't up to the task as he was still only 18. but are you seriously saying Matty bowen is up to it? if not the rest of the teams with there fullbacks are screwed.



We also struggled a lot more with out o'loughlin.

Per the Langley comment, I heard similar from a Rovers fan who said that he didn't think Langley was even on the pitch. For this reason I watched closely on the video and he was in a lot of tackles and looked very busy. I fear his downfall is that he shaved his head and now just fits in with the likes of Weyman, Lovegrove and anyone else that chooses to have a short haircut!



Whiting to me is what Netherton is to us. Solid, reliable, does the graft but is not going to make the mouth water or sell tickets on the basis that he is playing!



Anyway I couldn't see either Hull team not making the 8 but the league does look stronger for 2014 and a run of bad officiating decisions and injuries like HKR got last year could certainly push them down in to 9th or even 10th. I can't see that happening but I also might be underestimating clubs like Bradford, Widnes and Salford.

Bowen will have his games chosen for him and be rotated with Hampshire. Whichever way you look at it, Tomkins is a huge loss. I just can't see Wigan winning it this season. Richards, Tomkins and Hanson are three big players for you guys.