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Yeah ok. I must have missed that thriving Scottish domestic competition that consistently supplies Super League or even the Championship with Scottish players? Or the flourishing national team as evidenced by their excellent recent results? Or the Scottish team in Super League, Championship or Championship 1? Or even a pro Scottish team in any division whatsoever? Is there even a semi-pro team?
The Scottish development officers I speak to don't seem to think so.
You talk of me being absurd and then compare Scotland to England or Australia!
Since you appear to disagree, do you think that Danny Brough playing for Scotland, despite being born, raised & lived in England his entire life, is going to advance Scottish RL development significantly?
Given rugby league's limited resources do you think that RL should be concentrating on Scotland or on places with a far higher chance of successfully developing a competitive RL playing nation?'"
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The fact that you are scoffing at a developing nation is so indicative of the attitude that has left us in such a weak international position. Nobody was trying to compare Scotland to Australia in terms of playing strengh, but they are not something to 'concentrate' on or not, this has nothing to do with money or resources. The fact is that several players who have committed to Scotland and played just a couple of months ago, have now been named in an England squad. I think there are some players who featured for Ireland in those squads too. Their actual background, as well as whether or not they will 'develop Scottish RL', is irrelevant. Apart from the fact that they now don't qualify for England for an unspecified period of time, these players have committed to Scotland and should play for Scotland. This is an international side representing a nation, it's not some sort of development tool, it's not something to be toyed with and dismissed and belittled in the way that you are doing. Your attitude has really irked me because it's so typical of RL in the past, and it's something that needs to change if we are ever going to make any progress as a sport. |
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Quote BigRob="BigRob"icon_lol.gif
Yeah ok. I must have missed that thriving Scottish domestic competition that consistently supplies Super League or even the Championship with Scottish players? Or the flourishing national team as evidenced by their excellent recent results? Or the Scottish team in Super League, Championship or Championship 1? Or even a pro Scottish team in any division whatsoever? Is there even a semi-pro team?
The Scottish development officers I speak to don't seem to think so.
You talk of me being absurd and then compare Scotland to England or Australia!
Since you appear to disagree, do you think that Danny Brough playing for Scotland, despite being born, raised & lived in England his entire life, is going to advance Scottish RL development significantly?
Given rugby league's limited resources do you think that RL should be concentrating on Scotland or on places with a far higher chance of successfully developing a competitive RL playing nation?'"
sport.scotsman.com/rugby/Glasgow ... 6705808.jp
The fact that you are scoffing at a developing nation is so indicative of the attitude that has left us in such a weak international position. Nobody was trying to compare Scotland to Australia in terms of playing strengh, but they are not something to 'concentrate' on or not, this has nothing to do with money or resources. The fact is that several players who have committed to Scotland and played just a couple of months ago, have now been named in an England squad. I think there are some players who featured for Ireland in those squads too. Their actual background, as well as whether or not they will 'develop Scottish RL', is irrelevant. Apart from the fact that they now don't qualify for England for an unspecified period of time, these players have committed to Scotland and should play for Scotland. This is an international side representing a nation, it's not some sort of development tool, it's not something to be toyed with and dismissed and belittled in the way that you are doing. Your attitude has really irked me because it's so typical of RL in the past, and it's something that needs to change if we are ever going to make any progress as a sport. | |
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When did Brough last play for Scotland as he cannot play for England within two years as i understand it. I though he last played for Scotland in October 2010 so cannot play internationally until october 2012 for anyone other than Scotland
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"sport.scotsman.com/rugby/Glasgow-teenager-Chad-McGlame-joins.6705808.jp
The fact that you are scoffing at a developing nation is so indicative of the attitude that has left us in such a weak international position. Nobody was trying to compare Scotland to Australia in terms of playing strengh, but they are not something to 'concentrate' on or not, this has nothing to do with money or resources. The fact is that several players who have committed to Scotland and played just a couple of months ago, have now been named in an England squad. I think there are some players who featured for Ireland in those squads too. Their actual background, as well as whether or not they will 'develop Scottish RL', is irrelevant. Apart from the fact that they now don't qualify for England for an unspecified period of time, these players have committed to Scotland and should play for Scotland. This is an international side representing a nation, it's not some sort of development tool, it's not something to be toyed with and dismissed and belittled in the way that you are doing. Your attitude has really irked me because it's so typical of RL in the past, and it's something that needs to change if we are ever going to make any progress as a sport.'"
If you think I am belittling Scotland then I apologise because that was not my intention. My intention was to point out where Scotland currently are in development terms. Which, sadly, is they are nowhere. Obviously there is some good work being done, there always is, by dedicated people in Scotland but the national squad is populated with English & Australians not good enough to make it in their "home" country's team and sadly very few actual Scots. Danny Brough playing for England instead of Scotland is going to change sod all in terms of Scottish RL development, the massive glaring weakness in Scottish RL is the lack of a quality domestic competition in which to develop young Scottish players. Then add in the football and Union competition and I can see very little over which to get excited with Scottish RL. And that isn't going to change any time soon. Until a quality domestic competition is thriving in Scotland (or there is some pathway from a quality amateur scene into Championship or SL clubs) then Scotland will remain as it is.
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Micky McIllorum is someone with great potential, and you will get nothing but 100% from him. His defence is his best asset, and his attack and distribution is always improving.
Also shows that Eastmond won't be in rugby league for much longer unfortunately.
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| Quote BigRob="BigRob"If you think I am belittling Scotland then I apologise because that was not my intention. My intention was to point out where Scotland currently are in development terms. Which, sadly, is they are nowhere. Obviously there is some good work being done, there always is, by dedicated people in Scotland but the national squad is populated with English & Australians not good enough to make it in their "home" country's team and sadly very few actual Scots. Danny Brough playing for England instead of Scotland is going to change sod all in terms of Scottish RL development, the massive glaring weakness in Scottish RL is the lack of a quality domestic competition in which to develop young Scottish players. Then add in the football and Union competition and I can see very little over which to get excited with Scottish RL. And that isn't going to change any time soon. Until a quality domestic competition is thriving in Scotland (or there is some pathway from a quality amateur scene into Championship or SL clubs) then Scotland will remain as it is.
Danny Brough does little to nothing for Scottish RL but could be an asset for the English national side.'" I know what you're saying, but like I stated this is nothing to do with getting 'excited', directing resources or anything like that. Regardless of the benefit to either nation, Brough played for Scotland and therefore should not be selected for England. George Best and Ryan Giggs would have benefited the England team, that doesn't mean they were able to select them just because the nations they were committed to weren't as strong. That's not how international sport works. The fact that Brough was born in England is irrelevant. Regardless of the strength of the domestic competition and the composition of the team, Scotland has as much right to eligible players as England or Australia, so do all the other RL playing nations. We can't just pretend they don't exist or dismiss them as irrelevant because they aren't as strong, and if we continue to do this we will get nowhere. |
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A few surprise names in there, McIlorum and Ferres in particular.
From Hull, disappointing not to see Danny Houghton in one of the squads, and I thought Will Sharp would be in with a shout of getting into the ETS.'"
I don't think Ferres will be a surprise to Cas fans. He has been excellent for us. Fair play to SM for not just going for the "big names". |
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"I know what you're saying, but like I stated this is nothing to do with getting 'excited', directing resources or anything like that. Regardless of the benefit to either nation, Brough played for Scotland and therefore should not be selected for England. George Best and Ryan Giggs would have benefited the England team, that doesn't mean they were able to select them just because the nations they were committed to weren't as strong. That's not how international sport works. The fact that Brough was born in England is irrelevant. Regardless of the strength of the domestic competition and the composition of the team, Scotland has as much right to eligible players as England or Australia, so do all the other RL playing nations. We can't just pretend they don't exist or dismiss them as irrelevant because they aren't as strong, and if we continue to do this we will get nowhere.'"
Spot on , once you decide where you want to play , that's where you stay |
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Baffling selections at Bradford, the same for England.
The RFL may be thinking wtf have we done if he takes somebody like Ferres into the 4n.
I'm extremely surprised (From a Bradford pov) that not one of Langley, Scruton or Lynch got into either squad.
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I said this on another thread but is relevant here...
as a Trinity fan I am distraught that 6 of the players listed in this squad began their careers at, or have recently played for, Wakefield... if one adds Gareth Ellis to that list and other peripheral players like Darryl Griffin it clearly shows the extent of the mess that the recently departed owners of Wakefield Trinity left at the club!!
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| Quote Ewwenorfolk="Ewwenorfolk"Baffling selections at Bradford, the same for England.
The RFL may be thinking wtf have we done if he takes somebody like Ferres into the 4n.
I'm extremely surprised (From a Bradford pov) that not one of Langley, Scruton or Lynch got into either squad.'"
Where did you finish last year? where the year before? and lets not kid ourselves, you're no great shakes this year either. Its not baffling whatsoever. |
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If Ferres gets in, then I personally would have had Langley ahead of him.
Maybe Lynch's commitment to the international game over recent years has more to do with his exclusion than his on-field performances? Hasn't he made himself unavailable twice in recent years, once for minor surgery and once to get married?
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| Quote Ewwenorfolk="Ewwenorfolk"Baffling selections at Bradford, the same for England.
The RFL may be thinking wtf have we done if he takes somebody like Ferres into the 4n.
I'm extremely surprised (From a Bradford pov) that not one of Langley, Scruton or Lynch got into either squad.'"
Ferres is a better player than langley, lynch and scruton should have been in.
If the rfl were that bothered about team selection they would have sacked smith for selecting sykes, the worst player to wear an england shirt in recent years. |
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