If shenton is nowhere near as good at attacking as senior how come he scored more tries than him? the differance between senior and shenton is that at international level senior was put into space, shenton hasnt been so he hasnt had the chance to get on the score board, and he has been our best back in defence by far.

Senior provides more tries for his winger than for himself (which Shenton doesnt do) but is more than capable of running through on his own if he needs to. That is why Leeds finished where they did and Cas finished where they did.



I never denied Shenton was good defensively, read what I wrote.

I think there's rather more to the final positions than a single centre on each team.

We could list all the other positions aswell but then we get in to a club vs club tit for tat.



I just think Senior offers more than one threat going forward. You shut down Shenton and that whole left side attack dies. Everytime someone shut down Senior this season it resulted in a Ryan Hall try.

In 2008 shenton got more try assists than senior because he had a good young winger outside him, in 2009 most of the season shenton had castlefords reserve winger outside of him. Shenton scored more tries than senior (or any other centre this season) last season he scored one less than senior and got one more assist. Now shenton has done that in a 12th place and a 7th place team, if senior was swapped round with shenton, senior would score less tries and set less tries up and shenton would score more tries and set more up, that much is obvious as anyone knows that its far easier to score tries in a dominant team.



If you think that the differance in league positions was down to the differance between shenton and senior your not very smart.



i know you never said shenton wasnt good defensivly (though that much is obvious, only a blind man wouldnt rate him as our best back in defence) but you said that he was far behind senior in attack despite the fact he has done as well or bettered senior in attack for the last two years and has done so in a far less dominant team ( last year we finished bottom and the team spent 70% of the time defending and shenton still only scored one less try than senior and got one more assist, even though senior got far more (probabbly twice as many) chances in attack.

1 - Owen

2 - Fox

3 - Shenton

4 - Atkins

5 - Halley

6 - Tomkins

7 - Eastmond

8 - Peacock

9 - Diskin

10 - Graham

11 - Ellis

12 - Burgess

13 - Purdham



14 - Mccarthy-Scarsbrook

15 - Roby

16 - Crabtree

17 - Pryce

No it didnt. I've seen senior shut down a hell of a lot of times this season and no try has been scored.



And the aussies rarely had to do anything about shenton and hall as they very rarely got the ball.



Shenton scored more tries for a reason, he's better in attack than senior.

no he isnt!

Leave it off.



Because Shenny doesn't play for Leeds or Saints ? If he had a blue jersey on he would have been tonnes better than Senior. We are clearly nowhere near the standard of Leeds thats why when it comes to playing club rugby you cannot compare Shenton and Senior...because Senior gets more service being in a world class team.



Shenny deserves his spot in the England team as he has proved all the tourny.

For what it's worth my side would be:



1.?

2. Fox

3.Shenton

4.Atkins

5.Hall

6.Tomkins

7.Eastmond

8.?

9. Sinfield

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11. Peacock

12.Ellis

13.Burgess

1. Owen

2. Fox

3. Atkins

4. Shenton

5. Hall

6. Widdop

7. Eastmond

8. Lynch

9. Diskin

10. Graham

11. Ellis (c)

12. Burgess

13. Sinfield



14. Westerman

15. Crabtree

16. Carvell

17. Tomkins



Based on if Morely & JP retire