Common sense is not your strong point is it.

It is a myth that Rugby Union is this huge sport in Wales and everything else is small in comparison. This is a myth pushed by the media and Welsh Rugby Union fans and it has little substance.



If you are comparing like for like then the Welsh Premiership Rugby Union hardly attracts huge attendances either and only attracts a few hundred to matches. Football is much bigger in Wales and Swansea and Cardiff get much bigger attendaces than the Welsh regions and that doesnt even include the huge number of people that support English clubs. In Rugby Union it is only the internationals where fans turn up in big numbers and many of these do so because of the media hype and the social aspect of it being a day out and a place to be seen.

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Far be it from me to support your trolling, but read a bit of history and then come back and tell us how many times expansion of professional RL has failed in Wales. [Hint

No mate, not the only one.

I'd love Crusaders to win that and then shove two fingers at the RFL (who lets be honest put them on a hiding to nothing in 2009) and the board. I fully expect Wakey to win quite easily though.

Quite the opposite no club has been treated more favourably. Samuels was going to pull the plug on Celtic Crusaders if they did not get a SL licence, not enough effort was put into giving Welsh players game time, they went into administration, changed their name and changed location, then we have the mis-administration of the club (it makes HKR look like the model of professionalism). On top of this the club have treated the players and fans appallingly along with being dishonest to the RFL whilst taking a great deal of practical support from the RFL the RFL have got nothing in return for that support.



Reality is currently the club is not in a position to see out it's licence and has been run below a standard of many conference clubs let alone a SL club.

Very fair comment though the RFL have been duped by Moss and Roberts as much as everyone else and those two will not stop until the Racecourse is bulldozed to the ground and they can build houses and flats on it.

They have a mortgage on the ground. How much that turns out to be worth remains to be seen.

The ground has been mortgaged to (among others) the RFL. I'm not sure if this would put an obstacle in the way of any such plans or not, but it certainly complicates things.

Wrexham Supporters Trust certainly hope so and anything that puts a spanner in the works has to help. Hopefully the RFL and others play hard ball but I fear others owed money might be happy to settle for a share in the profits of any future property development.

I can't recall the full list of signatories to the mortgage, but I got the impression that the RFL had the lion's share and basically own the ground if the mortgage is defaulted. Hopefully that puts them in a strong position.



Of course if Moss and Roberts fold Crusaders completely then it would complicate things further as the RFL would own a ground with no team to play in it.

That's probably the poorest reply to a comment I've seen in a while.



What does Welsh Premiership football have to do with what I said? I said the two football clubs from the two biggest cities in the country outdraw the Union sides. That they play in the English football league makes no difference.



And after Cardiff and Swansea, we are essentially talking about towns and villages. Outside of Newport, there's nothing there that even requires consideration. It would be like League outdrawing Union in NZ in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch, and you still making the claim that Union is bigger because it has clout in rural villages.



Not saying rugby union isn't a part of their culture, or that its not significant, but your claim that only rugby union matters is so laughable that I had no choice but to reply. On the evidence of the two biggest settlements in Wales drawing better gates in football, I'd say that there is far more to Welsh sport than rugby union. And thats without a successful national football team (on top of a successful Union team), and no presence in top flight football for eons. That rugby union is just leaving everything in its wake!





It suggests to me that League can make progress here, as long its a long term project with minimal interference.