If he doesn't pick Clark he should be sacked on the spot.

Roby does 80 minutes at Saints almost every week, it's a myth he can't.



I've always wondered why Austrailia have a half back on the bench to be honest, I think that's a far more debatable tactic than having an interchange hooker.

1. Hardaker

2. Charnley

3. Shenton

4. Watkins

5. Hall

6. S.Tomkins

7. Widdop

8. Graham (c)

9. Roby

10. Hill

11. Ferres

12. Westwood

13. O'Loughlin



14. G.Burgess

15. Clarke

16. Taylor

17. J.Tomkins/Farrell (see how quickly he gets back up to speed)



18. Sinfield

19. Makinson/Briscoe (see how they go in the play offs)

20. Reed

21. Cooper

22. Huby

23. Burrow

24. Farrell/Bateman (depending on whether J.Tomkins looks good enough)



Hardaker is too good to leave out IMO especially as S.Tomkins defence at FB can be a bit suspect and we struggle for good half backs. As someone who watches Smith every week I'm not yet convinced of his ability to turn up in big games, particularly when things aren't going our way. I know it's tough to play behind a beaten pack but I still think Widdop or Tomkins would have thrown more at the opposition v Leeds (A) and Cas (H, cup) this year than Smith did.

Agree entirely about Smith. Another in a long line of competent British half backs who look good behind a dominant team. He is a good passer & kicker but is not creative nor a danger anywhere but near the line. He reminds me very much of Deacon in that respect.

Well he ignored last years Man of Steel, Albert Goldthorpe medal winner, Capt of the League leaders and SLs top point scorer so don't think he's not capable of ignoring Clarke

Indeed he is. But he's a former Wire player. I'm surprised people are picking Chris Hill.....well, apart from Wakey Saint who decided to pick Kyle Amor instead.

Hill's a definite starter for me and I know its bordering on heresy, but, is Westwood's current form good enough to get him selected?

OPTIONS

In order of preference



Full Back

Tomkins

Hardaker

Lomax



Wings

Hall

Makinson

Burgess

Charnley

Briscoe

McGilveray



Centres

Watkins

Shenton

Reed

Atkins

Cudjoe

Caton-Brown



Stand Off

Widdop

Ratchford

Brown

McGuire



Scrum Half

Brough

Sneyd

Sinfield

Smith



Props

Graham

Hill

G Burgess

Taylor

Amor

Walmsley

Huby

T Burgess

Crabtree



Hooker

Roby

Clarke

Lunt

Mcllorum

Houghton



Second Rowers

Ferres

Whitehead

Westwood

Farrell

Bateman

Kirmond





Loose Forward

O'Loughlin

Westerman

Obviously your agenda of "everybody is against Wire" got in the way of you actually reading my post

...pretty sure if you look back at it I had "8. Amor & 15. Hill" and therefore said clearly I would pick both and not Amor instead of Hill.



FWIW I think both are very similar players and rate both very highly. I picked Amor to start as I think Hill would make a bigger impact from the bench than Kyle, using Amor to do the solid graft and introduce Hill after 20 mins when defences are tiring for the yards and breaks he is capable of making...on form I think both should make the starting 17 and to be fair, who starts and who is on the bench is a bit irrelevant as props interchanging like that usually play similar minutes in a game anyway.



Maybe next time you should actually read what somebody posts properly, rather than getting half way down and jumping to incorrect conclusions that just make you look a tad stupid

I'd go along with this team but you'd have to ask what Charnley has done this season to get in?



Everything else I agree with as I don't think anyone is going to get the bench right as it depends largely on how we want to play. Although I'd definitely have both Roby and Clarke in the 17. The Aussies must be jealous of that!

Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.

Agreed, Ablett has been very good. But I would put Bateman in as well, although Mcnamara will keep one as a sub, not use them then wonder why a half back had stepped passed a knackard prop in 79th minute.



1. Hardaker

2, Briscoe (just a head of Makinson)

3. Watkins

4. Shenton

5. Hall

6. Tomkins

7. Widdop

8. Graham

9. Roby

10. Hill

11. Ferres

12. Whitehead

13. O'loughlin



14. Clark

15. Huby

16. G Burgess

17. Ablett/Bateman