I wonder if the manager might not make it through the WC.



Would be about right for RL in this country to get such good publicity in during the build up only for them to attract negative publicity during it.

dubairl posts more on here than half the Turkeygoers...



I understand your viewpoint.



However, I don't agree with most of it.



Shall we leave it there, or your poor fingers will wear out typing on multiple boards about the same subject...

It may happen in Dubai but I don't think people interviewed for a regional news broadcast here in Blighty receive any remuneration.

As I have relatives who were in Dubai from 1979 I don't need any reading up.It was mainly sand,then,it has now developed extensively and property has been purchased by Premiership soccer players and is a leading holiday destination for Brits.

Where are you getting your information that players were drunk ? There is a difference between going for a few drinks and a bite to eat and getting drunk.

No surprise that you as a Wigan supporter should namedrop Graham.I did read the rumours.I'm sure there isn't any bias against Gareth Hock.Or do you know something different ?

Does seem a bit irresponsible for people having imbibed alcohol to a state of drunkeness to go swimming a matter of hours later ?

Who was it who suggested Give A Dog A Bad Name...?

so then why act as if i can't be patriotic towards my country of birth? as you know is already a huge british expat population. but majority of the properties in Dubai are not owned by football players lol more like rich indians, russians and Lebanese.

They didn't mention that they went for a few drinks and a bite to eat it says 6 or 7 players where out drinking and any rugby player or even normal person knows what that means.

I mentioned Graham because he is supposed to be a leader of this England team as Hardaker and McIlorum as still newbies to the set up. There isn't he would still be in Camp if he reported for training and he didn't the others did. so which is it was it a couple of pints or out late on the p#ss so he couldn't go swimming? and i have no idea who said that.

Contradicting you'r self much? so i either post more on here or is it just a browse all the boards? and its not just hock what i have mentioned on he just seems to be the idiot everybody is talking about.

You missed point 6- his new clubs fans backing him because he's now at their club!



We'd have done the same when he was with us but he messed that up and had just missed out on a double. He missed out on a grand final win through his two year ban as well and he now misses a World Cup due to plain stupidity.



The lad isn't all there upstairs. Listen to the interview and that's clear as day. He keeps saying he's only don't the same as the other lads yet admits he missed a part of the planned session. That is why he's been thrown out and they haven't and that's as the bottom line.



I'd love nothing better then the guy to have a storming last few years of his career but it won't happen. I'm proud of any young players that come through the Wigan system and he's one of the most naturally gifted I've seen but he hasn't got the brain power to use the talent he's got. It's so frustrating because he's exceptional to watch when he does put it together.

I'm just wondering what job Mr K had that enabled his employer to fine him...I do however agree with him in that if it was just a drink and he was late a disciplinary would have been adequate.

Until full facts are released it's conjecture.

Wasn't one of your player advised on the last match of the season at the end of the game he wasn't being retained...hardly great management either.

If you believe that the action taken against Hock was fair and appropriate to the crime then ask yourself one question.

If it was Sam Tomkins or Sam Burgess would we even be having this conversation or would it all have been dealt with in camp.Think everyone knows the answer to that one.

No. To the first bit.



Not quite sure what you're on about with the second bit. I think you must be tired.

Butcher, generally I agree with your posts but I think you're wrong on this one - yes a number of players broke the rules around alcohol and presumable all involved will be disciplined, but only GH then missed the morning sessions - one of which was a medical!



Maybe it could have been handled better, but I think the England management have done the right thing, had they not acted like they did what message does that send out for what is acceptable behaviour.

What we are not doing,unlike Wigan followers and others,is insulting his intelligence and kicking him when he is down.

If the England camp is so lax that individuals can drink alcohol and then risk drowning by swimming shortly afterwards,it is best he is out of it.

I am now of the opinion it is the intention of Wigan followers to divert attention away from their club and it's perceived,by many rich rugby league club owners,toxic leader Ian Lenagan.

This is the individual who has caused the postponement of 2 meetings and as yet failed to deliver an alternative to whatever it is he is protesting about.

This is the individual who made statement about a player going out on loan to Widnes just to be vindictive.

This current,and past peccadilloes,involving Gareth Hock pales into total insignificance when contrasted to the behaviour of Andy Powell,who Lenagan signed after Gareth Hock left your club,he,of course,risked his own life and that of other road users by being drunk on a golf buggy on a motorway and also fought with,and lost,in a pub fight with QPR soccer supporters,in their manor,Shephards Bush London,to the amusement of the London-centric press and viewers of the well-known video sharing website.

Not satisfied with that,Lenagan,in his role as chairman at Oxford United,signed a goalkeeper on his release from prison,after he had crashed a motor vehicle into another resulting in the loss of 2 lives.

I really don't think any past or future action of Gareth Hock will be as bad as those outlined above.

The press has hinted that Lenagan isn't satisfied with the sponsorship organised by the RFL yet at Wigan,the shirt sponsorship by Applicado failed to last the 2013 campaign and they used the sponsorship company associated with Oxford United,Animalates,for the CC Final and beyond.

Hardly fills me with confidence.

If ever Gareth Hock brings the sport into disrepute,and with it bad publicity,to level that of Ian Lenagan,feel free to revisit and insult his intelligence.Better still,keep it for the VT.



I think Salford supporters feel the punishment for Gareth Hock has been disproportionate and singled him out based on previous disciplinary matters even though there is no evidence of him missing training or breaching whatever ruling was in place at a training camp in the past.