Last year we won the Challenge Cup and Saints didn't win a trophy, so if this year turns out to be only the same as last year I would settle for that.

st helens wigan huddersfield and hull are better than us and will finish above us

If you had kicked your goals you would have won. Instead of being 20-18 down you would have been 24-20 up and with momentum.

One result against us at St Helens and the world has come to an end.



It's a long season.

That may very well be true, but I can guarantee there won't be a lot of points between all 5 sides, and also after recent times, a 5th place finish in the most competitive competition in history would rank as a very decent season.



You really need your head examining if you believe we haven't improved....We are competing in EVERY game .



Defeats are inevitable in such a close league, it is the manner of them that is important and crucially our defeats are close, heartening ones, rather than the demoralising ones of recent years.

Explain Mystic Meg how you you come to the conclusion Hudds + Hull are better?

It is reading things like this that wake me up at night, crying.

Well am still waiting for an answer to my previous question!Oh surprise surprise you can't come up with 1.Your an idiot starting a thread like this when we're still joint 2nd.

This needs locking...

Oh dear you always get one

Idiot! look at the table, this time last year we were near the bottom on 4points having lost the first 5 games then winnin the 6th against brad n then hudd!



this yeah we are in the other half of the table and have won 5 out of 7!