Of the players that you have mentioned, Harrison seems to have the engine, to play the full 80 minutes at 13

I'd go with the former and have Kasiano and Micheale on at the same time, providing they could both operate defensively. It's easier to nullify one, but with two threats such as these, we'd really open teams up and create a lot of space for our backs.

I've never rated Dudson, but yes he is an option. Harrison has the potential to be a very good utility forward, and more game time would help to ascertain what his level is. Add McGuire (has he been confirmed?) into the mix and there's the makings of a very good pack for 2023. With Vaughn, Mikaele, Harrison, Dudson and Kasiano where does that leave Mulhern and Philbin?

Can’t see Mulhern being here and where it leaves Philbin is in a position where he has to bust an absolute gut to get in the 17 when he’s back to fitness. That is how it should be, that’s how Saints and Wigan operate and that’s where we need to be. We should have quality that goes deep into the squad and quality that is desperate to make it into a very successful first 17….and desperate to stay there.

I think it does nothing of the sort and is very simplistic, as age and the ravages of. time playing the game not to mention cap space will influence recruitment. If you ignore Amor's stop gap stint with us would you expect to hear Saints fans bagging him for finding his level at Widnes. Similarly, Charnley's choices of next club might have been different to Leigh (no disrespect intended) a couple of years ago?



Players are always becoming available, is Hill and possibly Hughes going to Huddersfield, a step up or down for them or just a change of scene? Myler and Dwyer were snapped up by Leeds are they a bigger club?



I always rated Atkins as decent where was his level Warrington or York? The list is endless and obviously full of opinion

Mulhern out of contract, and philbin coming back to a changing room next year where the light will blocked a lot more

I was going to post something very similar then read yours!

We had a competitive top of the table squad for a number of years. It’s true we didn’t win the HF but that didn’t mean most of the players were mid table make weights.For that you should look at the signings Saints made under KC and draw some comfort at how far they came in a relatively short time after he left (well that’s my current stance, it may of course change).

Tom Lineham on his way from Wakefield to Championship with Featherstone Rovers.

“ where does that leave Mulhern and Philbin?”

Out of the club and out of the 17…..respectively.

And if we want to challenge for honours that's where we should be. Mulhern has been steady and is a good 3rd/4th prop - will be interesting to see where he ends up. Philbin needs to look after himself, make a full recovery and push for a spot in the 17 but will be hard pushed if all are fit.

Step down, clearly. Smaller fan base, 1 honour in 62 years (SL Shield 2013).





Yes.



It's players like Declan Patton, Gareth O'Brien, Matt Davis et al to which Sally is referring. Still years off retirement - played lots for us but not good enough for title aspirant SL teams. Different than comparing a player at or near retirement tailing off their careers.

I don't disagree with your listings or that we are bigger than Huddersfield whether that's currently a step down for Hill, but that's not what I read into Sally's post where the squad was referenced and specifically "now that our player's are available and are being moved on", What player's are available and why are they being moved on is worth consideration



I'm not sure that a question would Saints or Wigan sign a player is a decent measure of a player's worth, For example, would or could Saints sign Clark? Probably not ahead of Roby a few year's back but that's not saying Clark is better or worse, or not good enough for a top side with SL aspirations, just that they were happy with their lot and had other priorities.



There's no doubt that the quality of the squad has declined since 2013 despite some money being spent (read that roster and weep) It's all about opinions but I'd have thought we could manage a decent sprinkling of players in our 17 in the glad they're a Wire classification at the start of Price's tenure Ratchford, Lineham, Goodwin, Atkins Charnley Austin Brown Hill Clark Cooper Currie Murdoch Masila Philbin Mamo



The proof of the pudding is have we won IT so ultimately we can all agree that the squad wasn't good enough, my issue was the specifics and simplicity of the original post...our 2013 squad was apparently not good enough either