No you’re not the only one - I think we’re in serious trouble. Toulouse beat Wakey at the weekend and they’re 4 behind us with a game against us. As I posted earlier - we’ve won 2 out of 13 - that’s relegation form. Our defence is pathetic - the first try on Sunday would have embarrassed an under 10s team.

I agree with this. Salford's ruck speed was far superior to ours. They had runners off the ball and they changed the direction of play causing us no end of problems. We were 1 dimensional, we made un forced errors and our kicking game was useless. We we're constantly backing off in indefence.



In the last 15 minutes Salford still had gas in the tank whilst we were running on empty, both in terms of energy and confidence.

Then we agree to differ. You have no evidence of many players not wanting to win.

There is a season of evidence so far that the coach hasn't improved any of the players, attack, defence, transition, there is no well understood game plan, no real team spirit, poor selection of players, poor PR - the list goes on.

I admire the support you are giving the current coaching set up but have you asked yourself does this make common sense.

Well i'd like to say Catalans missing Kasiano, Napa an Mcllorum for our gsme against them is good news......but it proberbly won't make a difference.

Is it common sense to blame the new coach for the performance of complacent players who've underperformed for the two previous coaches over 7 odd years?



Is it common sense to lay most of the blame at the new coach when his track record over many years at different clubs shows improvement; in contrast to our players who've underperformed for 3 different coaches letting the supporters and club down time and time again?



I'm still backing Powell, but I totally get everyone's concerns and do actually agree with many points, especially regarding the squad selection, lack improvement and attitude.



It's not a black and white issue this, Powell is certainly not blameless. But for me, the biggest problem is player culture, and if it takes an appalling season to rid ourselves of this, even at the risk of going down, I'm taking it.



For years now this group of players have taken much of the enjoyment out of watching Warrington. Apart from the saints game, I know these players arent really that bothered about performing for us fans and I just want rid, even with the risks involved. I much preferred it when little was expected, yet our players would go out and give it 100% more often. But I also get that many would rather us play safe.

It's not a black and white issue this, Powell is certainly not blameless. But for me, the biggest problem is player culture, and if it takes an appalling season to rid ourselves of this, even at the risk of going down, I'm taking it.'"

We won't go down but we'll make it competitive guaranteed

...and judge Powell's credentials on the end of last season with a team who know he's leaving? And ignore 20 odd years worth of coaching experience on which to judge?



I could say that Warrington played well yesterday... if I watched the first 10 minutes of the second half and omitted the other 70 minutes. Now logically that doesn't add up.



Tony Smith has had a bad run and been sacked, is he a bad coach? Every coach has their peaks and troughs, but I believe most appointers of coaches/playing staff will judge a candidate over their whole career and seek to establish whether there's an overall rising trajectory or stable if the coach is at the top of his game.



It wasn't so long ago that Powell took Castleford to the top of the table winning the league leaders Shield with a comparatively under resourced squad. This same side were close to relegation a few years earlier.



I also read somewhere that Powell had coached 5 MOS players, but don't quote me on that.

I'm still supporting the "wait and see" line but I am perplexed as to why we are not seeing any green shoots of recovery at all and why some players are seemingly undroppable.

I think there is a real danger that Powell could alienate the whole squad including the players who are signed up for next season. Nobody seems to be playing for him, team selections are baffling, ratchford has been great for us but never really as an organising halfback. A centre in the halves instead of an academy graduate whose future hinges on getting enough game time to develop. More alarm bells every week





I still back Powell but if the players who are staying don't then his position is surelt untenable. He needs to shake up the coaching staff, we need a new defence coach and atta k coach because at the minute both are pretty much hopeless.

How long before Toulouse start to play teams who will be safe from relegation and not in contention for play off places, once this starts we will be in a whole heap of trouble if we haven't already recovered sufficiently.



This debate is a good read, on Powell he is not for me, coaching a poor resourced group is clearly his thing, an over resourced group is not and they are showing their distain. He hasn't won anything other than the hub cap, which to some is clearly priceless and others far less meaningful. Right now losing to inferior opposition in the 1st round of the playoff is something we can only dream about.

The bad apple theory doesn't explain the performances of Holmes, who is fully conversant with the Powell methodology and has still stunk the place out.



You'd think he'd be busting a gut to try and prove his old mentor right bur he ain't.



I rather think the influx of the Powell crew, players and coaches, and their attitude has put noses out of joint; whether thats the fault of the people who were here or the people coming in is debatable.



However, I repeat - plenty of the players who aren't reasponding to Powell's approach will be here next year.