There has to be something that seperates "longevity" from "legendary", otherwise players such as; Paul Cullen; Lee Penny; Mark Forster; and Mike Wainwright; all with 200+ appearances and over 10 years at the club, and definately through "thin & thinner times", fall within a "legendary" status.



But, realistically, it all comes down to personal preference.

I think Cullen and Forster have better claims to legendary status than Davies, but I probably wouldn't include any of them. I'm not even sure I'd include Briers but I probably would in the end. Brian Bevan is the only one I'd 100% include.

Wire Legends since I've been watching (1979)



John Bevan

Mike Greg

(can't really comment on Parry Gordon, as he was at the "fag-end" of his career)

Possibly Briers



Mentioned in dispatches

Possibly Briers

Morley (when you look at it, he missed many games)

Jackson

Boyd (4 years, broken arms didn't help)

Davies (only did 26 months)



Excellent players

Mark Roberts

Andrew Johns (only 3 games though)

Phil Blake

Martin Gleeson (just his commitment when Smith arrived, let him down)

Ken Kelly

Tamati

Bateman

Woods

Drummond



Longevity/clubmen

Cullen, Forster, Hesford, Sanderson



obviously I've missed a few



Please, please, please

Can nobody include Domic, Kohe-Love, Burns, and Nat "half-back with an allergy to passing the ball" Wood in any of the above. All v. good players, but not in the categories mentioned above (imo, of course)

This topic seems to have turn on its head, from boot-ends to leg-ends!

Surely Briers is....longevity and quality. Not his fault he played through a long period in weak teams.

Can't have a worst 13 without the laziest bloke ever to wear the P&B imo. Tony Tatupu. Could play the game but just couldn't be ars@d. Fortunately he was only on a one season 'deal'.

Anyone remember Brian Butler? Awful welsh prop who signed from Bradford, another strong candidate.

He was ona two year deal, thing was, auckland wanted vagana back(understandable, but it was never really clarified why we just let him go) and they took tatupu back as well, as 'payment'.



He was a real bust that fella, it was said at the time Murphy was busting a gut to get Kearney, but signed the wrong player, we made lots of noise over this bloke and even had him hiding out at one point as the warriors were quite keen on keeping hold of him.



He came back a few years later you may recall, and was playing centre for Wakey.

Didn't remember him playing for Wakefield FMC, just recall him being the worst member of the Kiwi 'invasion' that year. Vagana was a class act but was clearly frustrated and it was no surprise when he left. I went to Aus for the WCC and it was glaringly apparent how divided that side was. The Kiwis were grouped together in the bar at Penrith with the English boys (and Salesi Finau!) on the opposite side of the room. They couldn't have made it more obvious if they'd tried.

He would if he wasn't such a lazy get when he first arrived, used to see him in the village hotel after games having sneaky fags. It used to annoy the hell out of me when we all knew his talent but he and the rest of the team really were not bothered back then.

Used to love watching him and Mateaki Mafi, crap without ball in hand, but my god were they quick!

They were both bobbins. Mafi was personification of the rule that being quick doesn't make you a good winger, whilst Finau's most notable attribute was a silly haircut.