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| Quote leytherjay="leytherjay"SL clubs want teams like Leigh etc to stay were they are so we can develop their players for them........players who Leigh have helped develop - Hargreaves,Prescott,Evans,Blythe,McCarthy,Mitchell,Spencer......... the list goes on.
They don't want a drop in SKY money (IMO the money should be split equally between all 3 divisions) even though they get more through sponsorship and marketing. Its the old saying - the rich get richer and sod the rest.'"
I believe the Sky money should be better split but lets play devils advocate.
Why on earth should teams like you get our Sky money when Sky don't want you to have it. If they wanted you to have it then they'd have give you the money to be televised in the cup.. people are harping on about two divisions but wheres the money coming from. Sky dont. want. to. pay. for. it. It really isn't that difficult.
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| Quote Dico="Dico"Point 1: They wouldn't. As much as I enjoyed a few of the results in the cup as one off games, if you put London's team in the Chp, genuinely they'd win by 60 every week. Players like Michael Robertson against players like Steve Maden would be humiliating.
Point 2: I see the logic, however as soon as Widnes ticked that box, rules are rules and it would always be them, had to be with their set up. This time it will probably be Fev.
Point 3: HKR are on the basis of having wealth behind them, the debts they've run up are humongous and they've been to court claiming dispensation after dispensation to bend the rules to stay up and cover their short falls. HKR on the outside look a success but they're a house of cards (ala Bradford) hence why their chairman is making all this noise because he knows. Cas were saved by Franchising! How can you hold them up as a success of P/R they promoted a load of young kids because they couldnt be relegated, they finished bottom and by your logic should have been in the Chp.
Points 4,5 et al: It's difficult. Because however you do it players with families and commitments don't want to put down their lives on the chance they may not be employed 12 months later. It's precisely why you got journeymen aussies, no commitments, if it went tits up they just got on a plane or signed for the next promoted club.'"
Point 1 part A: They would. Widnes havn't beaten Leigh for years and we're not the best team in the Championship, and where are Widnes-level with London. Just because they've got a good winger doesn't mean they're a better team.
Point 1 part B: Widnes play Magraff Leuluai, point proven.
Point 2: Why did it have to be Widnes and this time it will be Fev? Why put an average team in because it has a nice stadium over a team that's better, but doesn't. What's changed this time to make Fev more viable? The stadiums the same, but they're not as good a side.
Point 3: Just because Hull KR spent beyond their means doesn't mean everyone else will. Cas finished bottom, unlucky, if they're good enough they will come back the year after.
Points 4&5: I'm not going to feel sorry for an Aussie player who's come over for a payday, then when his team gets relegated because he's on holiday he's out of a job. If the player plays well and gets relegated, they get signed by someone else, possibly the promoted club. If they're garbage and no one wants them, hard lines, they've failed and they know where the airport is.
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| Quote Dico="Dico"Point 1: They wouldn't. As much as I enjoyed a few of the results in the cup as one off games, if you put London's team in the Chp, =#FF0000genuinely they'd win by 60 every week. Players like Michael Robertson against players like Steve Maden would be humiliating.
Point 2: I see the logic, however as soon as Widnes ticked that box, rules are rules and it would always be them, had to be with their set up. This time it will probably be Fev.
Point 3: HKR are on the basis of having wealth behind them, the debts they've run up are humongous and they've been to court claiming dispensation after dispensation to bend the rules to stay up and cover their short falls. HKR on the outside look a success but they're a house of cards (ala Bradford) hence why their chairman is making all this noise because he knows. Cas were saved by Franchising! How can you hold them up as a success of P/R they promoted a load of young kids because they couldnt be relegated, they finished bottom and by your logic should have been in the Chp.
Points 4,5 et al: It's difficult. Because however you do it players with families and commitments don't want to put down their lives on the chance they may not be employed 12 months later. It's precisely why you got journeymen aussies, no commitments, if it went tits up they just got on a plane or signed for the next promoted club.'"
Yep Batley must still be hurting from their 60 points thrashing 2 weeks ago! IDIOT.
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| Are people still rising to the bait of this fool? cant you all see he just does it for a wind up? he's a superleague fan he wouldn't know a rugby league game if it kicked him up the 'arris', he's just another blowhard who thinks rugby league is under 20 years old as a sport.
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| Quote topleyther="topleyther"Are people still rising to the bait of this fool? cant you all see he just does it for a wind up? he's a superleague fan he wouldn't know a rugby league game if it kicked him up the 'arris', he's just another blowhard who thinks rugby league is under 20 years old as a sport.'"
I disagree actually, I think Dico just has a different opinion.
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| Me too.
His arguments/point of view are his and he is entitled to them.
When we all start thinking the same way we might as well all move to Pyongmanyong' I hear it is great living there.
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| Quote wurzel leyther="wurzel leyther"Yep Batley must still be hurting from their 60 points thrashing 2 weeks ago! IDIOT.'"
It was a month ago. It was a one off game as I stated. You couldn't do it week in week out, you haven't the squad. A one off game is 17 blokes v 17 blokes, but playing to that intensity every week is where you'd fall down, very quickly.
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| What about the SL clubs voting to take an extra £10,000 off each champ club ? don't they get enough already .
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| Quote Dico="Dico"It was a month ago. It was a one off game as I stated. You couldn't do it week in week out, you haven't the squad. A one off game is 17 blokes v 17 blokes, but playing to that intensity every week is where you'd fall down, very quickly.'"
But with full time training that comes I think. Like I stated with a staggered season, if the Championship finished a month or two before SL, the promoted team could have 5 or 6 seasoned pros signed up and a squad assembled.
Think this extra prep time would go a long way.
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| I think a two-tier league is the way to go, personally. That would at least start to prepare the basis for improving some of the current Championship clubs, providing resource was made available to those clubs. The idea would be to improve and expand the British talent pool, and definitley not an expansion of the aged Antipodean pension plans! There would still have to be a set of meaningful, achievable criteria for a team to progress to the top tier though. Would Leigh be one of those clubs in the second tier? I would hope so, but we would still have to earn that right - and I believe we have embarked on the path to try to do just that.
However, if the RFL want to stick to one 'Super' league, let's do it properly now and cut to six teams, playing each other four times. Let's face it, London, Widnes, Hull KR, Castleford, Wakefield, Bradford and pick your other two, are never going to be top teams again.
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| In principle it sounds great - But even a 2 tier Super League has its flaws, what about Barrow, Whitehaven, Oldham, Rochdale, Hunslet, etc.. why should they miss out on the money? They have as much history and potential fanbase as some of the other clubs in there.
I reckon (at all levels) the RFL need to cap the amount of Aussies for each team, clubs can then invest the big bucks spent on them in developing youth, this in turn should increase the talent pool of our own home grown players.
It's not a quick fix though
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| Quote 15ian20="15ian20"In principle it sounds great - But even a 2 tier Super League has its flaws, =#FF0000what about Barrow, Whitehaven, Oldham, Rochdale, Hunslet, etc.. why should they miss out on the money? They have as much history and potential fanbase as some of the other clubs in there.
I reckon (at all levels) the RFL need to cap the amount of Aussies for each team, clubs can then invest the big bucks spent on them in developing youth, this in turn should increase the talent pool of our own home grown players.
It's not a quick fix though'"
Not excluding those teams. That's why I say we have to earn our right to inclusion, just like all the rest, including the teams you mention. Next season we have a bigger Championship league, when many of the teams you cite, will also get the opportunity to start along the road that the likes of Featherstone, Halifax and Leigh have embarked on.
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