paul reilly the ultimate grafter, stuart jones and darren turner aswell



tangata toa and ben kusto garbage



and john bentley even worse!

Daz- don't agree with you on Danny Russell and Paul Reilly- they WERE great players and certainly got the plaudits they deserved- my definition is for those players that didn't.

Technically a journeyman is one who has the skills but does not excel- I'm looking for those who - in your opinion should have but didn't.

Anyway my thread my rules.



Why isn't there a sticking your tongue out smiley????

sorry, i meant some of them listed weren't great players naturally but certainly gave their all...obvs Danny and Paul come into both

I am confused about the definitions.here. Would never see Raleigh as a Grafter or a Journeyman. He was a very good player who gave his all.



I would add another two categories of players that we could use.



The Sicknotes.

Those players who could have been better if they did not spend most of their time injured. A good example would be Falogo.



The wasted talents.

Those players who could have been good but for whatever reason were wasted.

Rod Jensen springs to mind. Someone who when he played looked to have the X factor but obviously upset Sharp somehow so seemed to fade away.



As for Schofield i would put him in the bracket of waste of money. ( if indeed he cost us £135,00). But when he signed i thought god we have got a big name playing for us that was a sign to everyone that Ken was backing the club and we were coming out of the shadows of the bigger teams.

Wasted talent-Paul White

Underperformed-George Gatis

Work horse-Adrian Toole

Grafter-Alan Wilson

A name that springs to mind as a wasted talent is Steve booth

His talent wasn't wasted- he took his golden boots went to kick and clap and earned himself a fortune.

Paul white was a Kevin penny- pace to burn but little else hence championship rugby.

what do you mean it didnt happen..he walked around the pitch after the game, even though he didnt play and lifted up the trophy in front of the hull fans.

His talent was wasted he could have been top class but had a bad attitude. He had a couple of decent seasons on the wing for Leicester then disappeared into obscurity

He played four seasons with Leicester but had a few long term injuries later in his time that could have happened anywhere - last I heard he was player coach for some kick and crap team.

I am not sure whether he should fit into Journeymen (because he was still young) but Jamie Simpson needs his own category.



In relation to Elford. His first touch was the first time we saw the 'crossing' rule applied. Nobody knew why he was penalised!

i wouldn't say paul dixon was a journeyman,yes he finished his career with us but still gave his all for the cause,some games he could hardly walk off the field



i dont think schoey was that bad a player for us TBH,again,yes he was at the end of his career but he had more class than most in the 1st division at the time and it was clear to see.

another for the workhorse department...... jeff wittenburg anyone?