Was less than 1k in there

Thats what I thought Chris.

Did you use to go to the Stoop in the late 90s GF?



It's just that our average attendance back in 1999 was 2,805. And that was the year we made the Challenge Cup Final!!! 1598 was the lowest attendance against Whitehaven in the Challenge Cup that year. I actually remember that now as it was when all our northern monkey friends from Cumbria were in the bar, somewhat drunk, singing "You all wish you were Northern"



That figure is a bit interesting as it's lower than over the last several years. Playing at the Valley had better figures and even going back there appears to have better figures than the Stoop. In fact, bar the first year at the Stoop in which was when we had our best year, after that it's always been a bit naff for attendances.

It's great that we're still passionate about it, but the club's attendances are never going to take off in Super League. None of these ideas will move the dial enough to make a difference unfortunately (that's not criticising anyone for their ideas or in putting them forward). Everything has been tried over 15 years, and it's just inefficient to spend money to keep repeating it.

Winning would help, traveling opposition helps, cheaper prices help (in numbers, not revenue). Re-branding, moving games, changing stands, moving days and times don't help.

The sport needs to boom before our crowds are going to.

Some things just don't sell, and our team and game is one of them unfortunately.

I wouldn't even announce the crowd anymore. Just give us a good rugby team for more than 6 games a year.

The crowd was never over 2,000, and like many others, I very much doubt it was over 1,000. It seems that the marketing of the club, which has always been s*** is now completely non-existant.

Not the full story, the average at The Valley in 2000 and 2001 was worse than that at Stoop in 1997 and 1998, but was better than that at The Stoop in 1999 (as you point out).



If you analyse the data, the location itself has had no noticable effect on our crowds.

You are absolutely correct. Apart from the first season and a bit as Fulham, our crowds have generally been around the 3,000 mark.

After our s**t performances to date I don't think marketing would have achieved anything for this game. Even the hard core on this forum were saying this game could be their last if they didn't perform - what do you expect from the casual supporter?



Now, a decent performance against Wigan, beat Widnes convincingly and use your marketing money for the Wakefield game and we could get a decent crowd on the back of it.

Good call Snoopy.



I can visualise GutterFax warming his typing fingers up right now. Watch and shoot watch and shoot

Seems to have nothing much to say now the self imposed amnesty is over.

I just hope we have that long left. I can't see why David would want to go beyond this season if things don't pick up both on and off the pitch. He has gone for it in terms of the playing budget and reverted back to the Broncos name thus appeasing the alleged thousands who won't watch an RL team called Harlequins. His reward, largely trash on the pitch, one crowd officially sub 2000 and what can be described as a poor gate v Cas irrespective of whether we believe it was sub 1000, sub 2000 or the officially declared gate. We have no shirt sponsor and seem to be doing less business in terms of the corporate boxes etc than we did last year. We're playing one game miles from London for reasons no-one really seems to have explained presumably lobbing a fair few more grand down the toilet for ground hire in Gillingham. (I accept the Orient game seems worth it on the basis lots of people seem to think there is a latent RL support in East London, I doubt it but we may as well find out as we have precious little to lose now.)



It seems reasonable to presume that David is likely to be exposed to a seven figure loss this year. This year was supposed to be the rebirth, to date it has gone horribly flat. Two more years of throwing money away or walk away. The latter must be mighty mighty tempting right now.



Also if anyone from the club is reading................ after telling season ticket holder to go to the ticket booth and swop out the Orient tickets, a poster up saying they hadn't arrived yet might have been useful. It certainly would have saved the poor woman working there from a less than pleasant outburst from one of our season ticket holders whilst I was queueing to try and swop out said tickets.

Agree about the absence of Leyton Orient tickets. As you say, a notice would have helped. And then there's the website, twitter and Facebook which they seem keen for them and us to use. Still await an apology and explanation on any of their various "communication" channels. (And it was not I who gave the nice lady at the window an undeserved mouthful.)



On the subject of DH, I'm not sure that he has said he'll walk after 3 years, but I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong. What I thought he said was that he was committed to another 3 years, implying, to my understanding, that he'd review it at the end of the period. Obviously, if the off-pitch results don't show a marked improvement, then he will be gone.