I wasn't passing moral judgement but I do think Saracens are a failing business.



& I've backed that up with evidence.



Are they failing as badly as Broncos?



It would be hard to argue that they are but on the other hand I could imagine the furore on here if Gus & Co spent 250 grand to rustle up 4 extra fans.

So where did anyone say we were playing? Or have I wandered into another marketing thread?

Will someone lock this BS or send it to the other sports section.

Yeah, I suppose you're right.



GF may quote a lot of stats but he sure doesn't seem able to interpret them.

You didn't provide any evidence to back up your moral judgement that they are running a ponzi scheme.

Yet to see this evidence? I've seen your opinion quite a lot here, but no links to facts or stats....



I mean to say, you "think" that they spent 250k on wembley...and, er, nope, that's it.

You have patently ignored the facts surrounding the 83,000 attendance not being designed to attract new regulars to games, the same way that you repeatedly go on about the supposedly thousands of free tickets, but with no substantiated figures and every time you post, you reatedly claim to have backed up your standpoint with facts...which you haven't.



As for my being able to interpret stats.........post some and we'll see shall we?

You really are a card GF. I produced evidence that the Wembley stunt generated no new customers and you claim that isn't the point of marketing. So if that's the case can you please explain what is and by extension your neverending supply of superfluous stats?

If the problem is location, that we are in union heartlands, then the least worst option is to move to Stratford. There's a desire for post Olympic legacy, which suggests some good deals on land or stadiums, west Londoners could get there via Waterloo and the Jubilee line, and the only competition is West Ham, Orient and Dagenham & Redbridge.



The Stoop is ideal for me, but I could still see myself going to Stratford. Barnet, MK, Gillingham not so.



If we can rent a stadium cheaply, then I don't see the need to own it. Companies rent office space, it's not such a big deal.



However, priority No 1 should be having a team that can qualify for the playoffs. Little point spending on marketing if the team is going to bet beaten. Thousands turned up to see the first Quins RL game against St Helens. We lost 56-nil I think, and those thousands never came back.



Digital marketing via Facebook etc means you can measure your results more closely than sticking an advert in a newspaper or on a billboard.

Little point marketing full stop apparently ...

Nope....what I said was sarries knew how to draw a crowd. I said this in response to your assertion on page 5 of this thread...remember?

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The wembley event was an event designed to generate media interest and attract sponsorship/sponsorship interest...I have never said it was designed to attract fans to games at VR.....you have "opined" this, but like the rest of your posts, there is little in the way of factor stats to back up your opinion. By the way, I believe it's fair to refer to 83,000+ as a crowd.



Furthermore, you cast doubt on my ability ro comprehend stats, when in fact, I have posted the only accurate ones here and have backed them up with factual assessment that Sarries have averaged over 17k per game over the last 3 seasons.....you reckon their being run like a Ponzi scheme...again, your opinion with no fact.



What we do know about the fezzed wonders is that they will have a nice shiny new stadium in 7 months time, as well as an 8 million pound sponsorship deal over 6 years......in the context of this thread....I would say that puts them in a much better position than the London Broncos RL club.....which in reality, is all I said in the first place.



Unless you think being 100% reliant on 1 man for survival, having a shirt sponsor for only 7 of 54 games and not being able to confirm to your long suffering fans exactly where the team will be playing in 2013 is better than sarries position?

Location isn't a problem despite what some on here might think. If you look at the crowd figures over the years, it doesn't make a huge difference where we play.



What does make a difference is success on the pitch and marketing. We have had good crowds at the Stoop in that past when those things were going well.