Of course it is, if we deserve to win the game, we will. If we don't, we won't.



But I don't find reaching grand finals embarrassing. If we get there and are outplayed in the final, that will be disappointing and upsetting, but certainly not embarrassing.

As I pointed out when I completely destroyed you on that other thread, close enough is NOT good enough. The aim is to WIN, not 'almost' win.



Four grand final chokes on the trot is, frankly, an embarrassing record.

This + 1.



The aim is to win, after all. Losing is failure.

But surely you must find losing four on the trot embarrassing. I know I would, and I also know that you'd be the first to never shut up about it if it was Wigan who had FAILED to win four on the bounce.



If I were you, I'd be praying we beat you on Saturday to save you further embarrassment.



I also find it hard to believe that someone who calls themselves a real fan, as I presume you do, would accept four, potentially five successive high profile failures. Show me a Saints fan who would, and I, my friend, will show you a dirtygreatbigfeckoff liar.

Surely being the 'Jimmy White' of Rugby League, must bother you a little bit?

It's a bad record, but not embarrassing.



Look at 2007 - 2009, would you rather bow out where we did, 1 game short every year or get to the Final?

We've won the Super League more often than anyone else, and reached more Grand Finals than anyone else.



I'm so embarrassed





Anyone who would rather not reach a final to avoid risking losing a final is a coward. How can reaching a final be more embarrassing than not reaching a final?



All very small time.

All in the past bla bla bla, you need to shift the monkey off your back sooner rather than later, your squad is old, your best prop forward is leaving the club, your stand off has turned french. Great signing in the kiwi bloke but a team that has aleady made PW captain for next season will slowly fade.

All of which has nothing to do with embarrassment at reaching GFs





As for our squad being old, what an odd statement.

You should discuss the embarrassment with the OP, i am mearly discussing that you need to shift the monkey from your back, it MUST have an effect on the players who take the field. It basically finished KC career on a low, which was a real shame.



Paul Wellens 31

Josh Perry 30

Ade Gardner 29

Tony Puletua 32

Chris Flannery 31

Francis Meli 32



Kyle Eastmond - GONE

Leon Pryce - GONE

James Graham - GONE



All players who would be in starting line up right?



Without doubt you have brought some excellent young players thourgh, none more so than Lomax this season.

Why are wigan fans so obsessed with saints???? you're beginning to sound like a Liverpool fan talking about United.



If we get to another Gf and lose, so what, Warrington have been the best side all season, and probably deserve to call themselves champs anyway, all we can say is that we've been beaten by a better team on the day, but we would also have the satisfaction of ending your season!!!



Plus anybody who thinks that saints have an ageing side, obviously hasn't been watching the game for the past 2 years, season after season people have gone on about is this the season when we see the fall of the mighty St Helens, and each year we answer that question with a big fat NO.



Year after year we are never too far away, and now we have got the move out of the way, we will only get better.



Have we ever been close to relegation? Relegated for that fact? missed out onthe play offs? NO



Robo, you look like a sad little boy son.

Yeah lets stop the rivalry, its not good ahead of a derby game....