Somtimes you got to lose a battle to win a war.

Wane out. IFL out.



Bring Lindsay back. He'd have signed a top halfback. Granted he'd have got rid of Hughes, Charnley, Farrell, Crosby and Powell to do so and still broke the cap but we wouldn't have to watch terrible players like Matty Smith and Blake Green.

Home truths:



1. Forwards - questions need to be asked about the reason for the dip in form of many of our forwards. Half way through the season Mossop, Lima, Hock, Hansen, McIlorum and Lockers in particular were playing very, very well. In recent weeks the pack have been playing way below the level reached at that half way stage. What is/are the reason(s) for this - peaking at the wrong time, overtraining, injuries, poor psychology? We need a post mortem and to learn some lessons for next season.



2. Finch - his form hasn't just dipped, it's collapsed. He's gone from world class to poor. Is he injured or homesick?



3. Tomkins - must play at stand-off next season. We need to have the best player in the comp involved in the game more. He'd have been amazing at full back in one of the great Wigan sides of the early 90s but we don't have players like Edwards, Gregory, Paul or Botica in the halves.



4. New signings/salary cap - we are going to be heavily hit in terms of quality next season but this is something that will affect all clubs. I absolutely despise the SC, which has done massive damage to RL, but actually it will in the longer term work in Wigan's favour, because we produce so many young players. It's not a great comfort given that the long term future of the game seems likely to be a semi-professional competition more like the French domestic RL in quality than what we saw in the early 90s or the early days of SL, but at least we will be top dogs.



5. Discipline - I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned this (apologies if I've missed it in the 13 pages of this thread!). Our discipline this season simply hasn't been good enough. Wane needs to sort this. We've been on the wrong end of some poor refereeing decisions and interventions by the VR this season but we shouldn't be giving them any extra rope to hang us with.

We've just paid good money to sign a 6 and a 7. You think Sam will play 6 or 7?

Unless we sign a back up 9 for MM he may have to, if SW has no faith in Logan Tomkins have we any alternatives to putting Smith in at interchange hooker ?

What a ridiculous posting, Wigan finished top of the pile after 27 rounds and just didn't perform for the first 40 minutes yesterday. The loss of Tompkins was massive, it would be like Leeds losing Sinfield........he's a game breaker.....not a SL coach??? Rubbish mys only issue with Sean Wane is around his attempt to get McGuire banned he should have just left it to the authorities and got on with his day job

Wane has to account for his Unwillingness to play Logan at 9. Need a new hooker to offer backup if Logan is not to be a replacement 9 as MM's absence has seen a complete reshuffle and collapse of coherence within the team.

Some of the overreactions since last night are astounding.

Tompkins? Who he?

Will or should? He probably won't, but he should. I hope we're not having this debate again this time next year after another year of underachievement.

So you are just whinging for the sake of it then without having a clue how we could have strengthend any better. It also seems like it is okay for you to constantly make the same complaints and criticisms but then you are not prepared to listen to the counter arguments because you dont like them.



If Smith and Green are the best that we could have signed then their isnt a great deal we can do about it. The days of signing top quality from Australia are gone. Other clubs are in a completely different boat to us and either are not losing half backs or have English half backs who are not going back home to Australia or NZ. We dont even know how Smith and Green will turn out, and our rivals arent exactly flush with top half backs either, so forgive me if I am not going to be a pessimist and completely write them off as you are doing. I suppose it is much easier to be a pessimist though and write players off before they have even pulled on the shirt or played as a combination.

There you go, complaining about something you don't like without offering any sort of solution or alternative. The record is stuck!



Why do you assume anyone cares if you're sick of it. Everyone has a right to offer their opinion but in this case your opinion seems to be 'stop saying things I don't agree with.'