Spot on



Can any fan, or coach for that matter, show me a PTB that we take or get longer at than any other team? In fact with all the media and moaning pointed our way we probably get less time before we are penalised.

The wrestle is done while still stood up it's about positioning yourself and the tackled player before you take the tackle down into completion. How can you penalise that? If your team completes a dominant hard tackle to me it's just the same as good attack and draws the same appreciation from the crowd . I would say we even target sets this year, were we pick up the defensive intensity and I for one love it.

This is different to Huddersfield last year, they often slowed the play down by lying one defensive player on top of the other, with often three players in the completed tackle then peeling off one by one, it was sorted out as the year went on and in co the form dipped at the year end .

All this shows how we lag behind the NRL and what we are doing this year they have done already. The calls from Kear for two refs are probably correct, not for the reason he thinks though. That wont affect us as we are in control before the tackle is completed, the two refs are being used in the NRL to look for delaying the PTB(after the tackles completed) and keeping the players onside. If you look at the NRL the hookers are not scooting 30 times a game they are an extra half, take a look at the top nines and the style they are moving towards, just the one, often creative or even putting an half back in.

Is the NRL boring? do they produce creative great to watch players? Why? instead of trying to stop progress we should encourage it or it will be forty more years before we challenge at international level.

Fantastically well put.

Saved me a job.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/8607500.stmIN THIS INTERVIEW[/url John Kear admits Wigan dominated every aspect of the game.

you're obviously one of jk's paint watching brigade



hope you enjoy your exciting rugby this season

I'm not just talking about Wigan - remember not everything opposition fans say directly relates somehow back to Wigan.



I mean for the game - all im saying IMO, i would prefer to watch a game with a faster ptb, than what we have got this season. The fact that Wigan are currently the best side at this new development is irrelevant, i'd say the same if it was Wakey who were the best (although just maybe not as much

)

Can we get done for breaking the spirit of the game?

what was reason you got beat today ?



to fast a play the ball ?

Some of the best matches i've ever seen in my life were the low scoring (5-4 for example) games back before the 10 metre rule. The fast play the ball quick scoot for easy metres bored the living crap out of me. As has been stated lots of times, we're mainly slowing the play the ball down by controlling the tackle (therefore not actually slowing the play the ball down, merely making the man have to get up off his back or side). I admire and am entertained just as much by good defence as I am by rolling the ball forward, infact the attack that entertains me the most is the sublimely timed pass to a deep runner, or quick ball through hands outwide to unlock a tight defence.



Simply making soft metres by being able to play the ball against a defence that's still backtracking bores me silly, and gets us nowhere in developing the game (as demonstrated by our total inability to use that style of play against the ockers).

The Crusaders arrived with a cunning plan... Wibble

Slowing the play of the ball down forces teams and their players to find more skilled ways of breaking down defences instead of just waltzing through gaps.



Players like McGuire, Burrow, Robinson, Roby. Higham etc had it all too easy for too long and their careers stalled as defences got better because they hadn't developed their other skills enough to still be a threat. Guys like Eastmond and Tomkins are becoming more rounded players because they're being tested and they have to work hard and try all options to break down defences.



Kears comments were pathetic tbh. His bottom lip was going when I saw the interview on Sky and i'd have expected better from a coach i've always regarded as pretty honest and decent.

Well Mr Kear, hope it was an electric atmosphere at your ground yesterday with your 4,671 crowd, hope the Crusaders didn't strangle the life out of your team winning the game, hope it wasn't like watching paint dry at the Cathedral of Rugby League, Belle View, mind you it could do with a lick of paint, ( quick drying )