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| Fitness is a massive issue, though he’s a cracking player and is doing well I think Zak Hardaker is a stone overweight.
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| Quote Salty="Salty"I love Wigan winning but a 4-2 arm wrestle. No thanks. I’ve not always thought like this but in the past few years I’ve become bored but I’ve kept on watching, hoping Wigan will be more entertaining.
I understand fans who want to win at all costs but it’s not for me.
We won the Grand Final a few times recently but we’ve lost about 4,000 fans, two of my friends included. They’d had enough of boring rugby.
We scored a try from a scrum at Wakefield.
When Wane was in charge, at a scrum our scrum half passed to a forward standing in the stand-off position who drove the ball in.'"
Under Wane there was no such thing as an offload, a chip over the top and it was rugby by numbers. It was like Soviet style dull grey rugby.
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"You've said nothing unreasonable there.
However a "consolidation year" is a poor return and not great for our dwindling number of season ticket holders.
I do believe Wane would make a difference. I sincerely mean that. He has a proven pedigree of getting the best out of what he has been given (injuries included) to great success. I do think short term he would make a difference.
That being said, you are right. Fundamentally our recruitment has been our biggest hindrance and the reason we find ourselves in this current perilous predicament. We have lost two fierce competitors in Sam Tomkins and John Bateman (who both incidentally are killing it at their present clubs). Their absence is hitting us hard.
I am curious how you have "no doubt" Lam is a good coach. What evidence have you seen to warrant this level of faith?'"
To be honest I've heard from someone close to the squad how much the players like his ideas and they think he can take us to the next level. Now obviously that hasn't materialised yet, but you cant expect miracles with the injuries we have had this season. Saints have used 23 players all season, how many have we? Id guess closer to 40. How can we expect any continuity changing tons of changes each week.
That being said, I dont think a full strength this side would be top 4 so I am willing to give him time to get it right. I would definitely give him the whole of this season and next but maybe Lenagan will opt for change. Who knows.
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| Quote bazdev="bazdev"To be honest I've heard from someone close to the squad how much the players like his ideas and they think he can take us to the next level. Now obviously that hasn't materialised yet, but you cant expect miracles with the injuries we have had this season. Saints have used 23 players all season, how many have we?=#FF0000 Id guess closer to 40. How can we expect any continuity changing tons of changes each week.
That being said, I dont think a full strength this side would be top 4 so I am willing to give him time to get it right. I would definitely give him the whole of this season and next but maybe Lenagan will opt for change. Who knows.'"
I think it's closer to thirty but got told today that there maybe two or three more on Monday.
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"Good post.
I was in the camp of Wane needing to move on due to the boredom at the RL played. I will openly confess my sin of not renewing a season ticket partly due to this. However he did bring success and that cannot be overlooked. Was the Shaun Wane of playing purely down to the substandard recruitment we've made and he had to play a certain conservative style to win? Speculative and largely irrelevant now.
To pick up on your final point, I'm not so sure. I cant say I have seen a great deal of difference in our style of play. It still looks very familiar to me. What "magnificent tries" are you referring to? Either way, one thing we can all surely agree on is our defence has gone backwards. Significantly backwards and that is definitely not entertaining to see. Seeing David Fafita tearing us apart running down the wing took the proverbial biscuit.
Injuries and players who aren't Wigan standard have played their part - I agree. However - did that ever stop Shaun Wane getting results?'"
With out debating any of your points. I ask you one question, will you be renewing your ticket after the change of coach now boting waney has gone???
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| Quote Salty="Salty"I love Wigan winning but a 4-2 arm wrestle. No thanks. I’ve not always thought like this but in the past few years I’ve become bored but I’ve kept on watching, hoping Wigan will be more entertaining.
I understand fans who want to win at all costs but it’s not for me.
We won the Grand Final a few times recently but we’ve lost about 4,000 fans, two of my friends included. They’d had enough of boring rugby.
We scored a try from a scrum at Wakefield.
When Wane was in charge, at a scrum our scrum half passed to a forward standing in the stand-off position who drove the ball in.'"
Are your friends happier now??????
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| Quote bazdev="bazdev"To be honest I've heard from someone close to the squad how much the players like his ideas and they think he can take us to the next level. Now obviously that hasn't materialised yet, but you cant expect miracles with the injuries we have had this season. Saints have used 23 players all season, how many have we? Id guess closer to 40. How can we expect any continuity changing tons of changes each week.
That being said, I dont think a full strength this side would be top 4 so I am willing to give him time to get it right. I would definitely give him the whole of this season and next but maybe Lenagan will opt for change. Who knows.'"
To be honest, the players need some personal pride in there performance. Plenty players not doing it, not kids either%
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| Quote post="post"Under Wane there was no such thing as an offload, a chip over the top and it was rugby by numbers. It was like Soviet style dull grey rugby.'"
Strange, I saw plenty of them.
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| Quote bazdev="bazdev"but you cant expect miracles with the injuries we have had this season. Saints have used 23 players all season, how many have we? Id guess closer to 40. '"
Maybe someone needs to do a root cause analysis of this.
Are we unlucky with injuries, are our training methods causing injuries, or are we signing and re-signing crocks?
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| Quote muttywhitedog="muttywhitedog"Maybe someone needs to do a root cause analysis of this.
Are we unlucky with injuries, are our training methods causing injuries, or are we signing and re-signing crocks?'"
How would you prove what is correct? Manfredi has now had 4 x ACL's, so that would lean towards being injury prone, but what if he moves to someone else and stays injury free. Would that make it bad luck or our training?
Its impossible to know and I am glad we stuck by him. I think we will again if Im honest, hes a top player and Adrian Lam did his ACL 3 times and he turned out ok.
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| Quote JonnyBroad="JonnyBroad"Are your friends happier now??????'"
Presumably they didn't turn up yesterday, so they're each £25 happier than me.
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| Adrian Lam may not be the right person for us at this moment in time but I really feel sorry for him. His year long work experience has become a nightmare. We were always going to struggle this season because of our loss of some of the most talented players in the game. We have others who have been talking about retirement for years but are still going round. Add to that the yearly injury crisis and a fair number of journeyman squad members who are being over used. This time we cannot go out and buy in a Fielding to make things better.
Sadly our whole squad needs a shake up. We are getting bullied in the middle. Yesterday we won few collisions and looked pedestrian. I was once fond of the theory that we were running with small forwards because the number of interchanges was going down but for years now we have been lightweight. In previous years we covered that with tenacity and some creativity but we now have neither. It says a lot that Isa is probably the first name on our team sheet. Sadly we cannot even encourage some of the players to take up more lucrative offers from other clubs because the ones that need to move on will not get a better offer.
At the moment when I think about which forwards I would like to keep long term I cannot produce a very long list. We are over reliant on youngsters who are generally doing fine but who really should not be permanently punch drunk. 
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