I suspect you are referring to Gareth Hock and not his long list relative Graham?



Hope got a very lengthy ban for that and rightly so. It's the constant moaning at the ref that I refer to. Watch last nights game back and tell me I'm wrong.



It seems the saints fans who have responded to my comments have not said I was wrong but offer weak examples of when SW, Tomkins and now Graham Hock have done similar? I think that says it all....

Who?

You couldn't make it up! If you are gonna take the mickey out of someone for getting a name wrong, make sure you get it right yourself.

When Hock was under the influence of drugs he didn,t know if he was a Gareth or a Graham, so I,ve just used the latter.

He was always confused prior to this, I,m not sure but I think his real name was Charnock.

Ha, I'll give you that one!! Damn you predictive text!!!

And every club in SL can come up with instances involving St Helens going beyond the line of fair play. As it happens every club in SL can come up with instances of every other club in SL going beyond the line of fair play, every club in the NRL.......... Well you get my point.



All this bitterness towards Wigan is getting tiresome now. It's time a significant minority grew up and started to understand what the sport and what rivalries are all about. In one breath you praise Brown for whining about refs in the next you criticise Wane. Which one is it? You either like a bit of mind games or you don't.

He was not whining about refs, he was whining about Wane Whining about refs, therefore influencing a poor ref performance.



As for Saints going from bad losers to bad winners, at least we are starting to show some consistency at long last.

The problem is that wane reacted to it. If he just smiled and laughed then Brown would have looked the idiot.



Instead wane, after probably shouting at his players in the dressing room due to losing the only match he cares about, just couldn't help himself and came out with some daft quotes.



Wane is rattled.

Nah, Waney cares about finals, which we tend to win a few of these days. And whilst we are on the subject of "the only game people care about" Il tell you what was embarrassing, your lot time wasting and then celebrating like you have just won the grand final in a league game, against a Wigan side missing 9 first team players. How the mighty have fallen eh.......

Good to see you're dealing well with the defeat mate.

I came out of the game feeling very good actually. Thought we played extremely well considering the players missing. They dont hand trophies out in June. I remember similar conversations on these boards last season....

Correct me if I am wrong, but a couple of days pre match Wane quoted that this was like a Grand Final for him and his team, so obviously we celebrated as such.

Saints have been rubbish for a lot of this season but have been top of the league for long periods, so I wouldn't say the mighty have fallen, in comparison to say getting beat 75-0 or going back in history to when Wigan got relegated to the second division.

Wigan, Leeds, Castleford, Warrington, Huddersfield and Saints can all win Superleague this year, so its "not all Wigan".

This is the Wigan forum so I think you will find that "it is all Wigan" on here, if your not happy with that...tough.