Is there something going on? Or is it just years of losing our best players taking its toll? Plus trying to integrate a lot of youngsters into the side at the same time. Mix that with our most influential player and captain being in and out of the team, it doesn't exactly breed consistency.

You clearly have all the answers, send Lennigan your CV pal you might be in with a chance!

I like your strong attitude but I think not as many changes are needed. If we look at next season for example:



Tomkins (a game breaker, will add so much to creating attack and scoring tries)

Charnley (will be a different more confident player minus Wane plus Tomkins

Sarg (Young live wire of a player who has pace and movement to scare the opposition, had some issues with defence which have improved)

Gelling (when fit is a dangerous centre)

Manfredi (so much potential)

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I think we need an experienced quality half, I'd go for Brough to partner either Williams, Powell, Smith or Rocky

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Clubb, Flower and Crosby plus a new prop signing.

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MM plus a genuine 9 who can scoot to keep up the intensity when MM is interchanged, lets take the interchange seriously and not see it as a way of getting whoever game time.

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Backrow: Tomkins, Lockers and Bateman. I'm growing tired of Faz's peculate ways, for me he's on the bench coming off as a replacement not a starter. I'd give Tautai a run at SR.

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Things are bad but let's not re-write history, Sarginson is a far better centre than Hughes

I'd love us to sign Danny Brough a couple of years ago when we got Smith but I'm sure if he was going to move to a big club he would have done so long before now. Regardless of that, he's 32 now so not really a forward thinking option. Hampshire and Williams are the future IMO

Williams is a 7 but Smith is untouchable for some reason??



Changing the players round and picking Hampshire in the halves will not change anything. They need to change the attacking sets / plays because the are so readable......it is the same move from Maguire with different personnel that is it. We been doing it for a long time and if the fans can read the set play by play then so can opposition clubs. If you look at the games we have lost this season it is from when this move doesnt come off and as John Wells said before the game and Stevo during the game they either go in to desperate mode or keep with the move and get no where. So putting Hampshire in isnt going to change it.

I don't think he is and that is despite Hughes really being a back row forward.



Hughes knows what centre play is about and Sarge doesn't. I don't think he has a clue.



Yes he is a super-fit athlete but he has no RL brain. Defensively he's poor as well.



Why he's not been dropped given some of his performances can only be because we have no one else or there is something seriously wrong. Charnley is still carrying the can for Sarge mistakes as it is IMO.



One of the last games Hughes played for us was at centre when we had some injuries and we looked so much better with him there. He isn't the solution long term but he'd be a better option right now than Sarge.

Less than twelve months ago Sarge played for England against both Australia and New Zealand. If you had watched those games you would have seen that he looked comfortably at home in that environment, in fact he outperformed Watkins over the two games.



So that would suggest that at least, Sarge has what it takes to become a top class player. The problem is that he is asked to do so much more than any other centre in the competition. If Percival at Saints (the best young centre around) was asked to do the second play hit ups that Sarge is being asked to do, he wouldn't cope either.



If Sarge is making defensive errors, it's not because he can't defend, it's because he is being asked to do too much. Just compare his carries with those of any of our props. That is where the problem lies.



We don't have one prop in the club worthy of the name. Flower is a pale shadow of his former self, Crosby and Mossop do nothing, Tautai is a joke. Only Tony Clubb looks capable, and he is hardly in the same league as about a dozen I could name starting with Chris Hill and ending with Andy Lynch.

They could be the future, but it would develop them so much more learning off a seasoned 6/7 like Brough for a year or 2. I don't know who'd be a better match in SL for us than Brough.

That is a painfully accurate observation.

I understand your point but not changing the personnel when other players might make a difference isn't forward thinking. Has Smith been so good he's untouchable? No, not in my eyes, is Williams untouchable? No. We honestly don't know how Rocky will play in the halves, and that's the whole point, he needs a run of games in the first team in the halves to see what he offers, one game isn't enough for him to prove his worth, Gelling suffered no end from being played in the odd game in the wrong position when given a run of games in the right position he started to shine, as Hampshire might, or Powell for that.



Evidence has shown over the years changing people yet keeping the system the same does have an effect on the team, did Wigan improve when Tomkins replaced Smith? Yes massively. Individuals can easily improve a team. Would we improve if we had the same system yet had JT in the halves or Inglis at fullback? I'd bet my mortgage we would.



FWIW I think it's always difficult playing behind a beaten pack, it's rushed and dangerous at times to put set plays on spinning the ball out in our own half, and it's much harder to deliver attacking kicks when in your own half/20-30. I think the pack is more of an issue, namely the props. But guidance and control from a top 6/7 would go along way.

Actually a decent post! I agree FWIW