Thanks, appreciated. I know we don't always see eye to eye.

"The Move" still works. The only problem is (a) it's our only move and (b) we don't have the players to execute it effectively anymore (Finch/Green, Sam, Carmont, Pat, Goulding).



Smith is a good player but he thrives off having a top class halfback alongside him. I thought he kicked really well throughout last night with very little praise.



With Williams, the problem is clear as day - confidence. He is trying too hard, forcing passes and scuffing grubber kicks. Every time he has the ball he tries to 'do something'. He needs some thoughtful coaching and revert back to his natural game.

Agree with the comments RE Sarge. The lad works his backside off every game. He takes up so many dead ball carries - throwing himself into forwards and getting smashed. He has shown his class at the highest level. Stop working him like a forward and we might see more of his class in attack and he may have a bit more energy to defend!



For next season our backline is fine. Tomkins Charnley Sarginson Gelling and Manfredi. Our backs are excellent. Williams needs to be spelled with Hampshire now. I wont get on Williams' back because he has been thrown in the deep end and is playing behind a powderpuff pack. After the last few weeks though and getting smashed and punched by Sims I'd rest him and give Hampshire a chance in his preferred position.



We need a backup hooker to Mcilorum for next season. Not convinced Powell or Logan Tomkins have a great impact when they come on. They give everything granted, but they aren't good enough. Brad Dwyer made a huge difference for Warrington when he came on. In the short term I'm not sure what we can do. We will have to go with Powell.



Our pack needs to find their backbone and they need to find it quick. We missed Clubb and Bateman. Two aggressive players. Flower has gone well since his return and Sutton has acquitted himself well for his age. Mossop, Tautai and Crosby need a rollocking and need to sort their game out quick. Patrick has just been bloody awful. For next season we need some huge experienced pack leaders. I'd have loved an Ashton Sims or a Cuthbertson in our side. In the short term there's not much we can do I fear. Clubb and Bateman come straight back into the side. Lockers too at 13 with Sutton benched with Patrick dropped. Tautai, Mossop and Crosby are in last chance saloon. Tautai to keep hold of the ball at all times - no more errors! And Crosby and Mossop to discover their again!

No half-back at Wigan will look good at the moment - the pack is being bullied and walked all over, I lost count of how many drives the backs were taking up because the forwards (props esp) were just not performing - and at times looked downright lazy. Even when they took the ball up - nothing. The Warrington forwards were making yards for fun.



Until the pack (front row in particular) either man up or get replaced debate about half backs is pointless.

Christ we've got problems but Hughes being five time the player Sarginson is certainly isn't one! He's an average second row at best.



I actually thought Sarge was pretty good last night. It's not the three quarters fault they're doing the props work on top of their own.

Hughes knows what centre play is about but Sarge doesn't?!!



I'm as annoyed as the next man but I seem to have landed on another planet! Hughes has showed zero ability when it comes to traditional centre player and whilst Sarge has rough edges there's a classy wingers centre in there somewhere.

End of discussion really.



Summed up to perfection.

All really good points and I agree with them all apart from Brough.



I'd personally like to see Sam move back to 6 and for us to look for another 1. I really want to see what Sam can do in the halves. I want him in there directing play and causing the kind of genuine threat at 6 we haven't seen since Trent.



After that good solid FB's aren't that hard to come by in the NRL. If Wakey go down we could even look at Locke. Sarge has also shown some promise there in the past.



Love your idea about TT in the 2nd row. Whilst he's undersized for a prop he's a good size for the backrow. Moving him there and bringing in another prop just makes sense as it means one less addition/disruption.



Like you said we don't need wholesale changes. The one big change is getting rid of Wane.

I agree with a lot of your post, but I disagree here. MMc should be doing 80 minutes. Who is Saints back up to Roby? Who is Leeds to Aiton? how often do you see Cameron Smith taken off? IMO back up hookers are not required. Lockers or Bateman could spell MMc if he needs a short 10 minute break but no longer - not worth having a hooker on the bench.

Tautai can't play anywhere whilst he's making the errors that he is.



It was a shame last night to see him make so many because unlike his more experienced colleagues in the prop department at least he runs on to a ball with some purpose.

Spot on. He should be playing 80 mins.



It's so obvious to see that when MM leaves the field we go to pot. The most simple and easiest way to stop that happening would be to stop taking him off.