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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"If Wigan had lost by 50 points then I would say you may have a point. They didn't.'"
Agreed, in fact they were 36-18 in front at one stage.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"I don't believe there is an issue, as I have posted on the other thread.
In terms of the significance of the loss, it hardly registers. The competition is all about the playoffs and using the rounds to test out new ideas and new players seems utterly sensible. '"
What he did was not in the least bit sensible because chucking the number of young players he put in that side all in at once will have told him nothing. Leeds would not have rested Web, Sinfield, Burrow and a couple of others and they didn't do that when they won it from 5th. Sinfield played 27 games last year and Burrow 25.
As to your usual "it's all about the playoffs" to see that is total nonsense all you have to do is compare Noble to Madge. Noble spent 3 1/2 years telling us it was all about the playoffs and we were never a consistent side and won nothing. Madge comes in and we become one of the most consistent sides in the league finishing 1st and 2nd and winning a GF and CC. That is not a coincidence.
Quote XBrettKennyXI have argued (and been criticised for doing so) in the past that the step up from assistant to coach is a big one, and that Wane is largely untested at this level. I still maintain that, however, he must be given time to do things his way. '"
Doing things his own way for the sake of it is not very sensible if results like that occur. One of the main reasons I supported Wane's appointment was I expected continuity and that he would have learned from Madge. Instead of this he seems to determined to be different. The concern is the meticulous no stone unturned Madge approach seems to be in danger of going out of the window.
Quote XBrettKennyXWigan WILL finish in the top 4 come what may. If you are going to "risk" points, then do it against a team who hasn't a cat in hell's chance of finishing in the top 4, that way it's 2 points lost as opposed to 4.
I just don't buy into this "disrespect" lark. Blooding youngsters is all about Wigan and nothing to do with the other teams.
If Wigan had lost by 50 points then I would say you may have a point. They didn't.'"
Blooding youngsters sensibly is the all about Wigan. What Wane did was stupid. The last time we had a coach who went OTT playing too many kids was Millward.
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| I have been thinking about the game and yes it was disrespectful of Wane and probably showed a bit of arrogance, but he nearly was right.
The team he put out should have and was good enough to beat Widnes. Being 18-6 up and then 36-18 up, no matter who your playing you should go on to win. Before the game I was all for playing the strongest side possible as were only 5 games into the season, but hopefully this will be one of the few mistakes Wane makes and I'm glad its in March and not later on in the season.
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| The gamble to rest so many players has backfired big time. Letting Stefan Marsh play and score against us was rubbing salt into the wound. It was the proverbial "bannana skin".
If we were playing Wire or Saints would we have done the same, would we hell. Why did they need resting anyway, only 5 games into the season.
Yes, the young lads do need blooding into the first team but one or two at a time, not four debutants all at once and in key positions. Compared to Widnes we do have a big squad but we already had three senior players out in Carmont, Fielden and Prescott. Resting another five seriously weakened the squad.
It smacks of arrogance, shows a lack of respect to the opposition and was tactically naive.
Instead of being top we are now 3rd and if Leeds and Cats win their games in hand we are potentially 5th.
Nil out of ten for decision making I'm afraid Shaun.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"What he did was not in the least bit sensible because chucking the number of young players he put in that side all in at once will have told him nothing. Leeds would not have rested Web, Sinfield, Burrow and a couple of others and they didn't do that when they won it from 5th. Sinfield played 27 games last year and Burrow 25.
As to your usual "it's all about the playoffs" to see that is total nonsense all you have to do is compare Noble to Madge. Noble spent 3 1/2 years telling us it was all about the playoffs and we were never a consistent side and won nothing. Madge comes in and we become one of the most consistent sides in the league finishing 1st and 2nd and winning a GF and CC. That is not a coincidence.
Doing things his own way for the sake of it is not very sensible if results like that occur. One of the main reasons I supported Wane's appointment was I expected continuity and that he would have learned from Madge. Instead of this he seems to determined to be different. The concern is the meticulous no stone unturned Madge approach seems to be in danger of going out of the window.
Blooding youngsters sensibly is the all about Wigan. What Wane did was stupid. The last time we had a coach who went OTT playing too many kids was Millward.'"
Oh but it is. The reason that we won under Madge is that he took our fitness and professionalism to another level. The basic premise that SL is all about the playoffs still remains.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Oh but it is. The reason that we won under Madge is that he took our fitness and professionalism to another level. [uThe basic premise that SL is all about the playoffs still remains[/u.'"
Yes it does.
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| Quote Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Wane's arrogance and ego was badly shown up today with his total lack of respect for the opposition and he got exactly what was coming to him and well played Widnes who came back twice to deservedly win.
Leaving three of your four main pivots out of the game (along with the other changes) is asking for trouble and Finch almost carried the team single handedly to a win. If being out-coached by Dennis Betts wasn't enough for Wane to leave his ego at the door next time, he's not going to last very long. Unfortunately what I've read of the post-match comments don't bode well with his "we didn't underestimate Widnes". He needs to eat a bit of humble pie and hold his hands up for today otherwise he'll have used up all his goodwill with a lot of the fans.'"
I think he has a point when he says we should have won with the team we put out. All respect to Widnes but they have been awful this year and it was down to our own errors and poor play that we lost
It just goes to show that, no matter how poorly a team may be playing, you cant underestimate any of the teams in SL
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| To be honest I was disgusted at the team that was picked yesterday, if your going to play youngsters, play them 1 or 2 at a time, to rest arguebly our 4 best players plus Liam Farrell is ridiculous. And surely if you are going to play the kids, play the captain to guide them through the game.
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| Quote 21-12="21-12"To be honest I was disgusted at the team that was picked yesterday, if your going to play youngsters, play them 1 or 2 at a time, to rest arguebly our 4 best players plus Liam Farrell is ridiculous. And surely if you are going to play the kids, play the captain to guide them through the game.'"
I totally agree, there's a correct way of phasing young players into the first team and to throw 4 of them in with no leadership or guidance is a shocking way to go about this.
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| Agree with the OP..Very poor leadership from Wane, and the post match comments have me slightly concerned also.
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| right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.
firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.
secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.
Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.
I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.
I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.
end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.
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| Perhaps Wane did underestimate Widnes. But far worse in my eye's were the team blowing an 18 point lead and only playing for 20 minutes of the match. The fact that we didn't maintain that intensity irks me more than anything. We've yet to play for the full eighty yet this season, and yesterday was the worst example of that yet.
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