I and most other Cas fans never expected that. For most of the game we were wondering if we could hold onto the lead and couldn't believe it when the lead kept stretching. have watched RL for over 60 years now and its hard to recollect a Wigan team in recent years that have been so devoid of attacking ideas. 2 of our tries did come from lucky bounces but you are sadly lacking leadership without lockers.

When SW believed he was supercoach.

SW having a whinge? Quote To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situation: "To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "It's not an acceptable situation but it is what it is, we recruit the way we have because I like certain players playing a certain way and sometimes that has a knock on affect but the way we've started this year, even though it's not much different to last year and the year before, when Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

SW having a whinge? Quote To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situation: "To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "It's not an acceptable situation but it is what it is, we recruit the way we have because I like certain players playing a certain way and sometimes that has a knock on affect but the way we've started this year, even though it's not much different to last year and the year before, when Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

Quote MattyB="MattyB"SW having a whinge? www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1'" Waney better have a word with Lenagan about the size of the forwards because he seems under the impression that the signings of Tautai and Patrick have fixed that. I'm just glad somebody has come out and admitted we're still tiny, I thought my eyes were going!

Quote MattyB="MattyB"SW having a whinge? www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1'" Waney better have a word with Lenagan about the size of the forwards because he seems under the impression that the signings of Tautai and Patrick have fixed that. I'm just glad somebody has come out and admitted we're still tiny, I thought my eyes were going!

It may be Waneys eyes that are going if he thought that the signing of Tautai and Patrick would add size to the pack.

could it be that top aussies can earn big bucks in oz now whereas previously top aussies would go to wigan or saints etc to win trophies ,now with wage capping top players stay in oz

Not all top players are Australian. Lots of brits have moved around in the last couple of years that would massively improve Wigan. Lots of Australians too, who whilst perhaps not big names would improve Wigan. I remember Rogues saying Walsh was no good and never takes the line on etc.



I also reckon one of your biggest issues is at hooker (particularly with limited or very young halves) but wane has too much of a mickey mac crush to notice.



It would be fascinating to know who signs players at Wigan and how close to full cap you are.

I watched Penrith v the Bulldogs last night and James Segeyaro scored a fantastic try. What a fine footballer he is. Nails, too. How we could do with someone like that.

Nah, he's just a "scooter hooker" isn't he . . . . .?



Stick to tackling and penalties, none of this fancy dan running the ball or scoring and creating tries.

Are Wigan spending full cap? or near it? serious question

dont think so, Il said he always leaves a bit spare just in case

If we are I would be very concerned, as there would of been some serious mismanagement there and overvaluation of some player as some are simply not good enough for a top team