Yes, I think the games that have to be played against each other makes us okay, subject to the Salford appeal. Is anyone good enough at maths to work out the permutations?

There are loads of permutations for this.



There are 10 points available to everyone.

We are 7 points clear of 9th.



If we beat Leeds and Hull KR lose to St Helens and Salford lose to Huddersfield, that would give us a 9 point cushion with 4 games left (so only 8 points available)

Then we'd be safe



If we win but either Hull KR or Salford win, we could still be caught, as we have a poor points difference with each 7 and 8 behind us respectively with 8 points still available.

If we lose and they both win, it's leaving it a bit more open.



Ignoring all other results and only looking at ours, we need to win the next 3 games to actually be safe.

Every time Salford or Rovers lose one, we can afford to win one less.



Best case scenario is that we win, Salford and Rovers both lose.

Then Salford and Rovers, as well as Leeds and Giants win all their games as it would make it so we can't be caught but they would pull Widnes, Cas and Sts back towards them and leave us 5th/6th.

Phew, nice work statto

We are very close but not quite there yet.



I actually think if anyone who drops out of the 8 now will be in the MPG if no one I predict HULL KR

I actually think that the middle 8's this year are going to be very tight, and don't think there will be any teams that go through it unbeaten like last year.



BOJ04 fears for Hull KR. If they can keep Campese, Kelly and Blair fit, then I think they could be fine, just look how they ripped us and Castleford apart.

Some suggestion that Campese is struggling with injury again, according to the Hull KR forum anyway.



I get the impression that Hull KR will do with Webster what we did, because the reports suggest that the players like him. The question has to be asked: why? The players didn't like Brian Smith too much, with hindsight, but he got them fit and got them playing. The Wakey players spoke very highly of Webster as a person but none of them seemed particularly bothered about busting a gut for him. Everyone likes a pleasant boss, and it's usually because you can get away with stuff.

how fun Is it going to be if we are not in it- watching and going for the championship clubs!!

it would be better for us thinking next year that a championship club gets promoted in my opinion.



the players that get relegated will be up for grabs

Got to admit it would be funny.

Much as it would be fun to see Leeds or Shudds battling in the MPG, it's very hard (if not impossible) to imagine any of the Championship clubs beating any of the clubs that are currently in the bottom 4.



The biggest chance of promotion was surely last year, when Wakefield were in such dire straits.



Next season will be as you were and there may well be a tweak, possibly a full blown change, to the league format after that (as the Championship clubs will be moaning more than James Lowes (or Denis Betts

) if nobody gains promotion this time.

So if Leeds and Shudds start adding players for the M8's, will the Sky commentators and the supporters of Championship clubs label them cheats - or was that reserved just for us?

I have always flt that if we must have this ridiculous system then the bottom 4 should carry forward the points they have earned against the other bottom 4 clubs (ditto top 4 Championship) and play 8 games home and away against the Championship sides. Top 4 stay in Superleague.



Imagine, a straightforward league with a huge prize and no gimmicks or nonsenses. It'll never catch on with the RFL.

That was reserved for us !

The words used were ( not in the spirit of the game! ) Hemings could see we were in big trouble, and didn't want to miss an opportunity to put boot in!