Hardly surprising regarding his shoulder.



He really does put himself about in defence.



Just proves the point that you need 3 recognised halves in the squad.

Believe Miller has now finished for the season and will have an operation on Monday so he will be back for the start of preseason training in November.

I think our last three sets of the game all ended with Finn tackled with the ball in hand when he had players lined up on his outside and that oft used other option of a kick.



Martin Ridyard was bagged on here a few weeks back as being no better than Finn. Wonder if Finn has ever scored a 90 metre try with Super League players trailing in his wake.

Think what last night showed, is that although Finn and Miller did their bit, it means nothing if you are missing that bit of craft at hooker.

Sio is good but not a hooker, he's a tackling loose forward.

In hindsight, maybe should have switched Finn to hooker and brought Hall into stand off?

But Miller is, funny how the Aussie never gets the blame despite not having played well since magic weekend!



It stuns me that people bag Finn for playing the game exactly how he is asked to and exactly as he is capable of. He's an honest player who does a job - but if others don't play off him it won't work. Strange how everybody was happy with him hen the team was on fire and he was not short of supporting players, it's not Finn who isn't good enough it's a large number of his team mates who are lacking at the moment.

So blinking what, they are not like for like - nor do I recall Ridyard getting bagged on here

I'm afraid fat to few on here get that, they get seduced by what they think is flashy RL when most of the time it's headless chicken stuff they are actually watching.

Exactly what I thought. It was another one of those games where even at half time I thought, if Moore was fit and playing we'd be well up. It ran the Wigan game a close second, to me nearly bursting a blood vessel.



It was just so frustrating and I know players are banged and busted up and we don't have much to play for except pride . I also know, just like when we were winning, our confidence is playing a part and has has been said before me, we've got players like Miller probably only playing due to pain injections but still, we've turned Catalans over at their place no long ago and they were a shadow of even that side. Quite simply with just a bit of simple straight forward RL, where we just held on to balls, passed and caught like you would as a 15 year old, we'd have won handsomely, but oh no not us.



On Finn I think he's done a great job for us this year but like Cas realised, they had to bring in better to improve. We need to get a player like Sam Williams in and have Finny has back up, so we can be fighting it out for 8th again next season (not that's the only position we need addressing) same goes for back up for Miller. As well as giving us cover it makes sure players don't rest on their laurels.

Yes he is definitely quick enough, with a good step off both feet and he's shown when he was fit and playing behind a pack that got us on the front foot that he's a good player. His stats at stand off rank pretty well against others. Also 'the Aussie' got plenty of blame in the first page. As some else pointed out Finn, Miller and Sio haven't missed a game all season, so it's no surprised they look knackered.



Like I've said before Finn's done his job this year for us and we wouldn't have made the 8 without him. Saying that. not having a crack at Finn, he is what he is, but would you be happy with him being our No.1 Scrum Half next year? Especially considering those teams below us will be recruiting like hell to make sure they're not in the bottom 4 next year.

We ain't a top 8 side circumstances worked in our favour . Stop blaming individual players , the squads poor and without very good recruitment we will be in the middle 8s next year.Same old same old with people complaining about the reff, other fans, slow centres , fitness, slow half backs, lazy props, two many back rowers, who should go hooking , sky and eddy, training team, etc etc etc. However a new one for the mix will be C C because his honeymoon period is well over going in to the new season.

Head. Nail. Hit.

People seem to have very short memories on here! The squad is poor you say, a squad put together by Mr. Smith, the guy who you and others thought the sun shone out of his backside until he buggered off after 5 games because he realised he couldn't hack it anymore as a coach. Look at Huddersfield and Salford, the squads' they have on paper, given where we were a year ago it's been a great achievement to have turned things around. It has been disappointing since the semi yes, but overall progress has been made surely.