I totally understand why people do not like Wigan, we play a very hard on the edge game and play it well.



I put my hand up the Pia try could well have gone for Les Cats but the offside was clearly offside it did not need to be, it was poor play by the winger but that is not Wigans fault.



I say again i do not see the hysteria when Tomkins and Locky were attacked on the floor to the face on several occasions?



As for the line of Wigan being respected in the glory years, you have very short memories.

Don't forget about some players recieving the boot in the face from Wigan (Coley)

Most of the adult public who watch the games are of the Wigan glory generation, once again I say those who claim Wigan were not slated in this period much more than they are now have very short memories, and much is the residue of that. Hence the glee when Wigan were getting smashed by 70 points not too long ago by most fans.



The fact is the Pia try could have gone either way, I am happy to say it probably should have been a try. Did the result swing on that......no. The offside try was poor play by the Cats winger he did not need to be offside but he was, he put himself in a stupid position for no reason and cost his team a try.How that is Wigans fault I have no idea.



I currently find it very it very interesting to not read the outcry about breaches of the Salary cap by paying players outside of the cap by nearly every club other than Wigan with this image rights situation. Wigan breach the spirit of the cap at the same time as most other clubs are robbing the government and cheating the cap (Hull just settled for over £1million payment half of what they apparently owed) yet Wigan are evil.



Once again though it is clearly me that is blinkered.

Coley kicked out agreed, the lad was hanging onto his leg but it was excessive fair play.



The Cats player put himself in that position by grabbing his leg trying to slow the PTB down though, but I agree could have been a penalty. Potentially either way.



Tomkins and Locky also clearly put their heads in the position on their back to take elbows from the French team.

The reason i cant stand wigan is because they cheat - in every aspect from tompkins and his football style theatrics throwing himself to the ground at every opportunuty, thier belief that they can (and unfortunatly often succeed in) intimidating officials, but most of all THEIR CONTINUED BREACH OF THE SALARY CAP RULE YEAR AFTER YEAR - no ethics at all - cheat to win.

Its not the fact Wigan play hard which people dislike. People love the game being played hard. Its the fact Wigan rely on getting the referee on side, the tactic of trapping the tacklers arm in the tackle and rolling over on to it to try and milk a penalty, the tactic of holding a player up in a tackle and attacking the knee, the wrestling etc etc, Wigan may want to describe these things as playing the game on the edge, everyone else describes them as dirty.



You may think you are moving the game forward, unfortunately you are moving it forward to a place people dont want to go. I dont want to watch a game where people try and win by milking decisions, by underhand wrestling tactics, by tackling in such a way as to increase the pressure on opposition players joints, where wrestling technique counts for as much as passing, kicking and offloading, where the latest way to stretch a shoulder muscle or a bend a knee unnaturally plays as much a part in the game as a barnstorming run from a prop. Its quite frankly a boring game to watch.

Its Tomkins and as i stated above, why are Wigan being slated in relation to the cap when they are one of the few clubs not being investigated for tax dodging and hence breaching the cap rules with offshore payments and image rights?



Lets not let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.

Because 'tax dodging' isnt breaching the cap rules perchance? Because there is specific clauses within the cap rules which deal with an issue such as this and make clear that it wouldnt result in a cap breach? And because Wigan are famed for breaking the cap rules maybe?

You're 100% right but I'm afraid you're wasting your breath; clearly, you're jealous of Wigan's success etc etc.

When was the last time Tomkins milked a penalty by trapping the arm? Yes it was a tactic he used earlier in the season but the refs soon got wise to it, and in fact it now works against him as refs are wise to it and so are the defence who use it against him.



Lima is/was responsible for most if not all the rest of what you talk about and he got caned when he first came over, he has since changed his game and is no longer doing those things.



Wigan concentrate on defence without doubt, personally I like that, but to claim they are dull to watch is up there with JK claiming it is like watching paint dry as Trinity get length of the field tries scored past them by Amos Roberts in his pomp.

You keep using this word jealous, yet only you have mentioned it at all.

He tried it a fair amount today and would likely have got a penalty or two had Ganson decided to give his whistle the night off. He wouldnt still be doing if he wasnt getting the decision from time to time.



He is still doing these things, thats why people are complaining. And he isnt the only one.



That isnt an argument, its a statement, a ridiculous one at that. I find the way Wigan play the game boring, I find a lot of the game in Australia mind-numbingly boring only punctuated by glimpses of oustanding skill. Watching two players wrestle for a couple of seconds holds no interest for me, I dont go to matches and watch matches to see tackle technique it adds nothing to the spectacle of our game. When they put together a highlights package at the end of the year there will be clips of bone-crunching tackles, massive hit-ups, offloads, line-breaks, catches, side-steps etc, there wont be any of O'loughlin wrestling a player on to his back to buy his colleagues a couple of extra seconds, or Hoffman holding a player up whilst Lima works them over before putting them to the ground facing the wrong way so they have a couple more seconds to retreat the ten. Do you know why? Because it is boring to watch.