Quote PopTart="PopTart"I don't agree with you on this one. Anxiety is very much a reason not to play. It isn't about being a bit worried about something. Anxiety and panic attacks which go along with them make you feel like you can't move and possibly can't live. It can cause heart palpitations which can be damaging in themselves and for some mean you just can't function in normal society. It's manageable for some not for others. I agree that Jools is using it to troll, which is poor, but let's not make the mistake of lumping everyone into the snowflake mentality. Some people are, but many people are not and it appears Gaskell has had some experience of this.'" Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness

Quote PopTart="PopTart"I don't agree with you on this one. Anxiety is very much a reason not to play. It isn't about being a bit worried about something. Anxiety and panic attacks which go along with them make you feel like you can't move and possibly can't live. It can cause heart palpitations which can be damaging in themselves and for some mean you just can't function in normal society. It's manageable for some not for others. I agree that Jools is using it to troll, which is poor, but let's not make the mistake of lumping everyone into the snowflake mentality. Some people are, but many people are not and it appears Gaskell has had some experience of this.'" Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness

Manuel you are spot on. Keith Smith ,one of the best centres ever at Wakefield .,finished playing early because of anxiety

You're quite right Manuel. It was well publicised even in those unenlightened times.

Quote marc271841="marc271841"Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness'" She's renown for being anti Wakefield on other posts and I get the feeling she thinks it's funny

Quote marc271841="marc271841"Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness'" She's renown for being anti Wakefield on other posts and I get the feeling she thinks it's funny

Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in the UK. Anxiety is a building block towards this. Anyone who dismisses this or uses it as Troll fodder want to simply be embarrassed of themselves. Chemical imbalances and life’s struggles all have an impact, because let’s face it life can be pretty crap at times, even for a child who I had to try but fail to resuscitate down in A & E from an overdose/ suicide. Everyone struggles, most just don’t say anything. Massive learning point for some people I reckon.

Big of you to share that Pat, can’t imagine that was easy on you either.



Massively important for men and women to speak up about this sort of thing, hopefully others (especially a few on here) realise that sooner rather than later.

Interesting to see as this conversation takes place, Jansin Turgut is given the all clear to play RL again.



“Great news! I have had the all clear that I can play rugby league again. After battling mental illness leading to a suicide attempt, a month long coma, being told I may not walk again too overcoming mental health and nearly almost back fully fit. I feel amazing!“

"Anyone that is affected by things I don't understand is a snowflake" - Vastman 2k21

Quote marc271841="marc271841"Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness'" You are quite correct - I wasn’t “trolling” I was giving vastman- fount of all knowledge- a credible reason as to why Lee may not have made a very public appearance at a club event he wasn’t at. Something that wasn’t ‘because he’s still a giants player’ which is a load of old cobblers- much like his view on those suffering with anxiety. Edit. Too far Jools...... Poptart

Quote marc271841="marc271841"Why was she trolling? I've read her post back and I don't see any trolling. Let's say Lee had a stinker the week before and is struggling with anxiety before the game. The type you refer to as crippling. Is it unfathomable that he might withdraw for his own reasons and in the interest of the team? The poster who went way OTT on the anxiety and mental health issues should probably contact SKY and tell them they needn't bother. As people should Man Up. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -awareness'" You are quite correct - I wasn’t “trolling” I was giving vastman- fount of all knowledge- a credible reason as to why Lee may not have made a very public appearance at a club event he wasn’t at. Something that wasn’t ‘because he’s still a giants player’ which is a load of old cobblers- much like his view on those suffering with anxiety. Edit. Too far Jools...... Poptart

I'm happy for people to share their experience, whether just to publicise the issues or to educate if you feel it will.

In fact I think it's important people do just that. Some very moving comments above.



No need to follow up with any insults or put downs.

Vastman this is clearly a subject you know nothing about, just accept you posted without checking based on you perceived prejudices. What you are now doing is trying to deflect from the fact you clearly don’t know anything about anxiety, I would suggest you stop digging and accept the reality.

I should know because I have suffered with panic attacks for over 20 years all caused by the pressure of work and finding some travel sickness tablets on my plane seat. I clearly remember saying that is something I don’t need to worry about and then had my first attack. I can tell you I would not wish this on anyone because the symptoms are quite frightening. The attacks spread to all public places and can occur without warning, it could be a strange sound which meant I had to know how to get away to feel comfortable.

I am on medication which I must take everyday for the rest of my life but it is worth it because the alternative is isolating and staying at home.

It is not a sign of weakness whatever you think but I am fortunate that unlike a professional person I can take prescribed medication that might not be available to them.

The bottom line is shut up and concentrate on something you know about.

It surprises me that someone as frail as your good self could be responsible for some of the bile you've posted since your sudden appearance on the forum about 8 years ago.