Horne and Seymour have their critics, but I think today showed we have been caught up with the hype of having '4 SL standard' Half-Backs, both Ellis and Nicklas were anonymous IMO.



Our kicking game was very poor, with most kicks going straight down Tomkins throat and neither player offered anything with ball in hand.



I'm sure they will both come good in time...but as I say I think we have been swept up with the hype a bit and badly need Horne and Seymour's experience back in the side.



While we are talking about the kicking game, I have to criticize how Tickle kicks to the same spot from every kick-off, he kicks to the 3rd man in the oppositions left-hand side with every kick off, which makes us very predictable to play against.

Very hard for halfbacks to do much when they have no room to work. Ellis on kicks especially needs to get a bit deeper as he was closed down too easily at times today.



Still they will continue to improve and this is all good experience for them.



As for Tickles kick offs they are very predictable, and even when we are in with a shout of coming back he doesn't alter them.

I reckon Ellis will make it but Nicklass will struggle

if horne had kicked like eliis today their would be posters baying for blood!



miss horne more from our squad than most would like to admit!

Ellis has had a hell of a lot more game time in the Championship and that is why he looks more competent. Nicklas has had to make do with the U20's and the competition is nowhere near as fierce and competitive as the Championship.

Gentle seems to think Nicklas has a good future ahead of him.

Agree we miss Horne but I've got to defend Ellis a little though. His kicking today wasn't up to the standard we know he can play and he will know that, however he did a lot of good work in defence and finding a gap for his try. Wigan were very quick out of the blocks when we played the ball leading to a lot of pressure on our kickers on at the end of our sets. They'll all be better for the experience.

One thing that I noticed today is that we seemed to go back to last seasons tatics and apply a drop off every set!

Not many of the Wigans kicks 'split' winger and full back.

Our forwards gave pathetically slow ptb's today. If we're playing for position our quickest in the tackle should be taking the 5th tackle in. Can't do anything being allowed to be pressured like they did.

yea we where poor today, but hey as been said we had a lot missing and wigan to there credit played well,2 weeks off get players back , onwards and upwards

Ellis looks like he has the tools to make a decent SL half back, however he needs to remember he is not in the championship and get used to the speed of the game in super league. Too often he is wanting time on the ball that simply isn't there.

dont agree jamie, ellis will not make it in SL not good enough mate

Bit early to be saying that. He reminds me a lot of brough when he was with us. Good boot on him, plenty of effort, not bad in defence but looks lost with ball in hand. Could come good or disappear into oblivion