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| Quote C for Cuckoo="C for Cuckoo"So I'm stuck with a 60 minute bus journey. Sighs. I might just move back to Hull.'"
I'm actually not sure it is a given that the line will be closed. A lot this sort of work can be carried out overnight. We will see I suppose.
Quote C for CuckooI do have a serious infrastructurey question. If they are going to lower the A63 by 7m and Hull is 2m above sea-level does that mean the new road will be technically underwater? The point were Chants Ave ducks under the elevated railway often floods (I think it did again yesterday) so how will they stop the A63 turning into a marina when it rains?'"
Usually deep sheet piles, or sealed pile walls are used to stop flooding where it falls below the water table. Of course, effective drainage needs to be installed, which is perhaps where Chants Ave has gone wrong.
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| Quote Bal="Bal"I'm actually not sure it is a given that the line will be closed. A lot this sort of work can be carried out overnight. We will see I suppose.
Usually deep sheet piles, or sealed pile walls are used to stop flooding where it falls below the water table. Of course, effective drainage needs to be installed, which is perhaps where Chants Ave has gone wrong.'"
Hopefully it wont be closed. They've closed it at the moment to replace the swing bridge which is annoying but apparently it'll make the journey time shorter so I'm happy about that as it might mean I'll get to the KC in time for kick-off.
Hopefully they'll get the drainage right or TransPenine will need to put on a replenishment DUKW service.
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| Quote Bal="Bal"I'm actually not sure it is a given that the line will be closed. A lot this sort of work can be carried out overnight. We will see I suppose.
Usually deep sheet piles, or sealed pile walls are used to stop flooding where it falls below the water table. Of course, effective drainage needs to be installed, which is perhaps where Chants Ave has gone wrong.'"
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Chants Ave has a small pumping station to remove surface water...the problem is though if the drains which the pumps discharge into are already full theres nowhere for the water to go till the backlog subsides...new A63 underpass will also have a pump station fited to remove surface water....this will be piped to the nearest body of water!!!!
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| They tried to build a tunnel before under the river Hull and then scraped it due to it flooding , There's a bridge there now !. It's going to be chaos in Hull when the A63 upgrade starts .
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| Quote B0NES="B0NES"They tried to build a tunnel before under the river Hull and then scraped it due to it flooding , There's a bridge there now !. It's going to be chaos in Hull when the A63 upgrade starts .'"
Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve
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| Quote fc baldy="fc baldy"Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve'"
It's something that needs doing , Castle st is joke , You've seen it yourself Mark the chaos you get with just one broken down lorry and the rest of the city stops .
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| Quote Bal="Bal"Sorry, it does represent a small challenge but bridge works are somewhat second nature to UK Infrastructure teams and they have existing methodology. You of course have a permanent connection with a bridge on one side, which is where the electrical supply will be managed. The bridge, will then have the pylons attached too it. Logistically a little more difficult than standard installation and certainly specialist, but not significant time wise.'"
You are correct in most of what you say regarding methodology, however, it will probably take a little less time to run the wire under the bridge. This is due to the fact there is no need to dig/pile foundations for any large steelwork to be landed like there is in 'open' track. The main challenge will be in the design, ensuring minimum wire heights are maintained. I work as an engineer for an overhead line company and most of our guys would know this as standard practice........hopefully
Also, I would expect that the work be planned overnight in line possessions to minimise the disruption to service. This is usually on a Saturday night/early hours of Sunday morning, most of the works go on without any commuters having any idea, apart from when we mess up that is!!
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| Quote C for Cuckoo="C for Cuckoo"So I'm stuck with a 60 minute bus journey. Sighs. I might just move back to Hull.
I do have a serious infrastructurey question. If they are going to lower the A63 by 7m and Hull is 2m above sea-level does that mean the new road will be technically underwater? The point were Chants Ave ducks under the elevated railway often floods (I think it did again yesterday) so how will they stop the A63 turning into a marina when it rains? '"
Replacement bus from hull to Hessle. Replacement raft from Hessle to Hull. Simple.
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| Quote Bal="Bal"Hmmm, actually thats really not that bad for an infrastructure project.
The scheme will include two new bridges and an underpass. Plus ground works, landscaping, highway control etc.
The A556 bypass, which doesn't involve ground work in a high water table area, which is around 4 miles cost somewhere around £212 million.'"
Standee reacts negatively to most things posted on here. Not a personal insult of course.
I'd love to know what the Tindsley Viaduct project came out to in the end!!!!!!!
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| Quote Standee="Standee"£75m for 1.5 km... value for money my booty'"
Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.
Yours seems to be distance?
I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.
The A63 is costing £50m per km.
Using your criteria, which is better value for money?
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| indeed, the mind can only boggle at how much HST will end up costing per km for example - it will be miles more than the estimates. as well as just the road, there will be tunnels and bridges to build, all pushing the cost up
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| Quote Errlee Berd="Errlee Berd"Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.
Yours seems to be distance?
I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.
The A63 is costing £50m per km.
Using your criteria, which is better value for money?'"
Crossrail is a little more important than the A63...
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