This happens with all these new electrical ways of buying things. Take buying something online, say a kid wants to buy an 18 rated dvd, as long as he uses his parents' cards then he gets away with it. I know this is nowhere near the same but take self-service in supermarkets and that thing that asks you how many bags you've used, so easy to just press none even if you've got a load. At the stadium, buy the ticket from the machine, scan it at turnstile and you're in without speaking to a single human being. Technology is not always a good thing, especially not seen as the turnstiles at south-west have broken down both home games this year... :-/

So. Do any of the above excuses make it OK?

No, they don't. The fact quite a few people think it is, speaks volumes about the fall in moral standards.

To be fair its been going on for years, its not a recent thing. As long ago as 1986 when I started working on the turnstiles at the Boulevard I had parents swearing to me their 5ft son had just turned 4 years old and so on. With the old gates at the Boulevard and the (lack of) security there wasn't a lot you could do but you can with the more modern, manned turnstiles. It was bound to happen with unmanned ticket machines, there has to be some trust. Like cc said, it is a problem for the SMC to sort out, afterall, it was them that got rid of the manned ticket office who could question and request proof of identity.

Who's said it's okay?

Not directly no, indirectly yes. If you can't read between the lines...

Not really. I think everyone agreed it's not right. We disagreed on the severity.

It seems to range from "Tut, SMC need to sort it" to "Scum, they need hanging".

No perhaps its not I agree, but doing the other things you cite although not right and in fact illegal, hardly hurt Hull FC do they? The relationship between a Club and its devoted fans is a little different to that between an owner of a TV and Sky TV. Yeh the stuff you quote hurts musicians starving artists, the RL and TV company's but in this case for a lot of people its not the legal principle of what has been done, so much as the fact that fans are doing it to swindle their Club, the team they support, who need the cash and expect people who support them to play the game, while the rest of their fellow fans stump up to support their team. Its almost I guess a matter of honour really! Just my thoughts and I am an old b*gger!

I refer you to the answer below your question.



Several people have inferred it's OK. (having seen some comments on F.B. some have admitted it).

I happen to think it isn't.

Wilf has the right of it. On the global scale of crime it hardly registers but given that the victim is the club we all support that cranks it up a few notches.



Enough people start doing it and the club takes a significant financial hit.

It's stupid how people think lowering the prices is the easiest option when it's clearly not. People don't realise that the club is a business and that businesses need to make a profit at the end of the year to survive long term. If you look at football, clubs charge £50+ for a ticket when they don't even need it, football is all about making the largest profit instead of entertainment these days, whereas Rugby is for entertainment and survival. In my eyes, the club are charging the lowest they can for adult tickets and these 'fans' that think £21-£22 is too much are narrow minded and ridiculous.



Wish some people would open their eyes and look at the wider picture before spurting out stupid comments like they have on social media.

Hang 'em High!



Totally wrong and robbing the club unnecessarily.



However, it's been going on for years. From when I started going in the 70's, you always used to see some blokes sheppardingly their kids in through the turnstile and slipping the operator something for their trouble. So both the supporter and operator were robbing the club at the same time.



Also used to go to City at Boothferry Park and see 18 year olds trying to kid their way through that they were U14. They'd often get found out that when they couldn't quite make up their Date of Birth.



Worst case I've seen was also at Boothferry Park, was when three lads (one used to go to our school), used to take it in turns to sit in a wheel chair each game, while the other two pushed them round to DIY disabled shelter they'd put up in front of the SE terrace. By the end of the season most of the South Stand had clocked on to it and it became part of the pre-match entertainment. No light shows in those days!

nothing new im afraid, ive known friends who have purchased child tickets instead of adults when leeds introduced the same ticket entry system, once they twigged, they made sure that most away tickets were/are checked