Ditto

Was going to get my first pass in 5 years, as I'm back in Hull after working abroad, will wait and see what happens in the next few weeks now.

Harsh and unrealistic. Changes need to be made without a doubt, but not every player at Leeds, Wigan and Saints is a super star and we have plenty of guys who are good enough to play in a top team without being brilliant players.



The guys we need to keep as a priority and build a team around are imo:



Shaul

Lineham

Crooks (I know he's struggled this year but he will still make a good player)

Bowden

Green

Hadley

Westerman



Then there is the group of players who I would like to keep, but wouldn't be too upset to see let go if good replacements are available:



Talanoa

Paea

Houghton

Whiting

Miller

Rankin

Feka

Ellis

Tuson

Thompson

Watts

Cunningham



So that leaves us with the guys we should be actively looking to move on:



McDonnell

Crookes

Yeaman

Horne

Kent

Colbon

Carvell

Arundel

Pitts



I haven't included youngsters in that and I have given benefit of the doubt to guys like Rankin and Miller.

Richard Horne's worst season ever, was his benefit season.

Yeaman was shocking last season - his benefit season

Whiting is having his benefit season - nuff said

Clearly there is much more to organising bingo & quiz nights

than us mere supporters realize

I thought it was interesting that yesterday Cas had 5 FC rejects playing for them. Deemed not good enough for the mighty FC, they're now part of a side that has improved massively this year (yes, it may not last) and they look down on our lowly 10th place from 3rd, having thrashed a team that beat us only a few weeks ago.



The point being of course that a side (regardless of so-called quality) that is together and wants to play can do so much better than a team of supposed stars who either can't or won't. On paper, you'd say we're better in the majority of positions, but in terms of form, confidence and will to win, they're streets ahead.



We need to start again, write off this season and build over the next few, like Cas have, like Leeds did, like Wigan did. I'm not suggesting that we chuck games, but why not blood some of the youngsters? Try different set ups, game plans? We seem to be playing completely different 17s and different game plans week in week out anyway, so why not actually say it and do it?



We as fans need to calm down with our expectations that we can win trophies and realise that we ain't going to be challenging for some time. We might fluke a CC final and maybe win it, but the aim should be long term success, not a quick fix just so we can say we won something. AP needs to read the riot act, get rid of some players, some coaches and effectively start again.



Some of our defence on Saturday was shocking and we're back in the old "go behind, heads down" way I thought we'd got rid of. Once we go behind the players seem to feel that its game over. It is so frustrating because we've seen a few times this year that we CAN play well.



Still, come Thursday, we'll have a player trotting out the "we can beat Leeds and kick on from that" flannel and then have our backsides comprehensively handed to us at Headingley on Friday night.



Perhaps for different reasons, but I'm with Dobbo. Enough is enough. I love Hull FC, which is why seeing us like this hurts.

Good post Mr Zucchini Head and can't argue with that assessment really.

Absolutely right. I had an 'eyes raised to heaven' moment too at Cas' FC rejects showing us how a well-coached TEAM is so much stronger than a group of 'star' players. Take Salford - with Rangi - as the opposite example.



There's not too much wrong with our team on paper, excepting the inexperience of our half-back pairing. It's an attitude issue for certain. It's interesting that we start a season strongly then always tail off to mediocrity with the odd great performance chucked in. That's not a quality issue, it's a quantity of will problem. We know this team can 'do' it, we've seen them earlier on. So why aren't they doing it now?



So diffucult to fix, and long term not short. But can Pearson last long term?

Thirded.

I doubted the signing of Feka but i have to admit hes impressed me this season.He showed what we were missing on Good Thursday with his willingness to take on Rovers pack almost single handley.

hullfc.com/article/34458/westerm ... s-in-derby I really wish the players would stop talking on the website now to be honest.

hullfc.com/article/34458/westerm ... s-in-derby I really wish the players would stop talking on the website now to be honest.

Same here - see my post above. Not sure what purpose it serves other than keeping the website ticking over.

we're becoming increasingly embarassing

Anybody can talk the talk.Its about time we walked the walk.

I find so much wrong with that article that words fail me right now. Might offer more of a critique later.