Well they have more time to release players, or say they are free to talk to other clubs. FWIW, a champion player could cost us 150k a year maybe more. We might have 120k left to spend, release Obst and we may have another 40k to 50k which would be better spent on 2 players rather than 1?

I can see Moa and O'Meley leaving next season along with Martin, and who knows we may be keeping some of the salary cap back this season to put towards a player for 2013. Especially when it looks like we shouldn't be at full cap with the outgoings we've just had.

And when Moa and O'Meley leave, we need to spend their slaries on two more props ! Leaving the Martin salary for a "top" centre. Our squad is small and anyone who leaves will have to be replaced, like for like, leaving nothing left over.

And like I said perhaps we've left some of the SC over from this season to put towards a top centre next season, say 100k?

I expect Moa to leave but Ogre may fancy just one more season, who knows.

Obst will be on a fair bit more than that,more like 70-75 k,which may explain one of the reasons for wanting him to find another club.

I think too many here are being a bit harsh on Tony Martin. He's a decent player who's still produced good performances in a struggling side. Only a disappointment if you believed the Lyon / Jennings / Gasnier fairy tales.

Looks like a 1 year stop gap, either to buy another years development for one of your juniors (don't know what you've got coming through) or Gentle has his eye on a player who's OCC next season. Either way, he'll do a job for you.

The bit I can't understand is dumping Phelps to sign Martin. Looks a bizarrely sideways move imo.

we didn't dump Phelps to sign anyone, we signed McKinnon and Phelps was never going to be here beyond a year, if Martin didn't have the dispensation from the RFL because of the Crusaders shenanigans we'd not have signed him either.



Personally I don't want to see us let Obst go unless we bring someone better in, we're still light on creative players and Obst can do a job in a couple of roles.

I find that a strange statement. The only place we are not light Is in the creative positions. We have to lose Obst

you honestly believe that?



who would you have, Horne or Obst? (taking their respective wage into account)

Horne. We have also got Symour, Ellis, houghton, heremaia and niclas covering 3 positions. We can't have half the squad covering 3 positions

Houghton and Heremia are 9's, Nicklas is unproven, as is Ellis, so we've got Seymour and Horne, not eactly an embarassment of riches.

But you can only have so many players. We have only got 3 second rowers. 4 props