No just an opinion as we cant all rate everyone that plays for our club.

A reasoned evaluation isn't rubbishing a player tbh. PAV hasn't looked anything like his best for months, maybe through injury. As has been said DB may have just given him as much game time as he can. Truth is, it hasn't worked. Jack Owens has filled that berth well and would cover that and the kicking duties if needed.

PAV may just need more time to get his rehab but we can't afford to take chances this year of all years!

I smell the witch hunt





If you look at the stats for last year ..... Owens 10 tries, Ah Van 9 tries. Considering he missed most of the season injured he must have done OK when he played.

He's The new Andy Hay, Testy.Pat is one of us, a Viking. He's on our side.You wouldn't think so reading this.Besides he doesn't pick himself in the team and any complaints should be taken up with the person who does.

A reasoned evaluation, does that include calling him crap ?

Sadly he was at fault for two trys in the second half playoff game at w**e. Which more or less cost the game. His defence is dreadful

didn't hang around long enough tonight for me to see if his defence has improved

Well done tonight. You fully deserved at least a point. A great team spirit and great dig against a dirty Wigan team. Really pleased for you - even as a Wire fan.

Unlucky tonight, a couple of 50/50 calls you didn't get might have made all the difference. Cracking show with 12 men for an hour.



See you all at Cas.

I think I blew a vocal chord when you scored the last try. Great effort, especially when it's 12-14.





PS. Can we have Azza back? You've got a great signing there.

Thanks Mike,i think alot of widnes fans did exactly the same matey

Agreed.