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| Quote griff1998="griff1998"Yes, 2-1-0 makes a difference. Compared with 3-2-1-0 it favours teams who get beaten by more than 12 and nobody else.
So ... why would anyone think that's a good idea ?'"
Who said that I thought it was a good idea? I said you can decide if the differenece in the systems makes an significant differance. Maybe I'd like a 4-2-1-0 system, but am not telling you how you get the bonus point
Quote griff1998="griff1998"Dave - you're maybe missing my point here.
1. You agree that 3-2-1 is the same as 2-1-0. We'd all just have 18 points more at the end of the season under the former. Fair enough ?
2. The next step is 3-2-1-0. Only teams who lose by 12+ are affected. They lose one point for each of those games.
3. Therefore teams who lose by 12+ have one less point for each of those games and, again, I ask, what's up with that ?
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I never said there was anything wrong with it did I?
There are other differences to the ones you highlight above, for example team A wins a game by 24-10 and then losses a game 10-24, they end up with a 3 league points and a zero points difference, whereas team B draws a game 10-10 and draws a second game 24-24, they end up with 4 league points and a zero points difference. is this fair? And should there be a bonus for winning a game by lots of points? And does it really matter anyway?
You said there was no difference in league placings using the old system and the current system, all I did was point out that there is a difference, one that could have meant that Dewsbury could have been relegated rather than Hunslet last year (as it happens neither got relegated because Barrow had a points deduction). Though above you do reconise that there is a difference now and that our math skills ain't so bad after all.
Personally I do not care what the points system is, 3-2-1-0, 2-1-0, 4-2-1-0, 4-3-2-1-0, 100-99-98 or whatever just as long as every club knows what it is before we start the season, that is fair in its application to every team and that it does not change during the season. If these are in place then before the season starts every club know what they need to do during the year to finish as high as they possibly can during the season. Why do you care so much? 
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| To be honest, I don't care about the points system. I'm happy to run with what the rules are.
What does irritate me is people coming on here and talking tripe.
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| Quote griff1998="griff1998"To be honest, I don't care about the points system. I'm happy to run with what the rules are.
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Please mention that at the start next time, it will save everyone a lot of time.
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| Quote E.S.O="E.S.O"Please mention that at the start next time, it will save everyone a lot of time.'"
Like it 
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| So you're going to stop talking tripe ? 
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| Quote griff1998="griff1998"So you're going to stop talking tripe ?
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What tripe did I talk Griff, please enlighten me?
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| Quote FevGrinder="FevGrinder"Now this doesn’t appear on the face of it to be that material, in that Hunslet are a couple of places higher than they would have been using the old 2-1-0 system, since it has not affected the play-off places or relegation places.
That is until you consider what would have happened if Barrow had not had any points deduction applied, in this case it would have been Dewsbury being relegated under the current 3-2-1-0 system, whereas the old system would have meant Hunslet would have been relegated.
Bottom line is that it does make a difference whether you use the current 3-2-1-0 or old 2-1-0 system and you can debate the merits of both systems. Does this make a "BIG" difference and does it mater I'll let you decide.
However for me as long as everyone knows at the beginning of the year what the system is and it is consistent and the criteria doesn’t change during the course of year, then it shouldn’t matter, since we all know what we are being judged on from the off and what we have to achieve.'"
Here - misses the point. Yes 3210 is different to 210 but who benefits ?
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| Quote griff1998="griff1998"Here - misses the point. Yes 3210 is different to 210 but who benefits ?'"
You miss the point Griff  , you said that the point system makes no difference to the final league placings, however as I have proved it does. You ask who benefits well as pointed out above, the team that benefitted last year was Hunslet to the point where they would have avoided relegation (notwithstanding the points deduction for Barrow). Why can't you get that?
Where is the tripe in this information? However there may well be tripe in you saying the change in the point system does not benifit anyone, when clearly it does, but guess it's hard for you to admit this? 
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| Quote FevGrinder="FevGrinder"You miss the point Griff
, you said that the point system makes no difference to the final league placings, however as I have proved it does. '"
Where did I say that ?
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| Is this not unequivocal enough, Grinder ?
Quote griff1998="griff1998"Yes, 2-1-0 makes a difference. Compared with 3-2-1-0 it favours teams who get beaten by more than 12 and nobody else.
So ... why would anyone think that's a good idea ?'"
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| Quote griff1998="griff1998"eusa_eh.gif
Where did I say that ?'"
Sorry Griff been away a couple of days, you said is here:
Quote griff1998="griff1998"That would be fair comment if that was the effect.
But losers are still two points behind winners.
2-1-0, 3-2-1, 10-8-6, 80-42-4, 2,000,000-1,999,995-1,999,990 - =#FF0000none of these points systems alter the positions between the teams.
The real losers are the teams who lose by more than 12.
Sorry if the maths is beyond you.
Would you be happier if we keept 2-1-0 with a point deducted if you lose by more than 12 ?
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Though to be fair you didn't include the 3-2-1-0 current system in your quote above though I do believe that is what the discussion has been about.
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| Yes, I was trying to take it in two stages to illustrate the nuances better.
Step 1 - 2-1-0 to 3-2-1 (or 2000000-1999995-1999990 or whatever) - exactly the same
Step 2 - 3-2-1 to 3-2-1-0 - only 12+ losers miss out.
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