So without naming players you would like rid of, who are the ones you would like to stay ... given that some will want away.

Like Charlie Martin probably.

I'll start the ball rolling, there are players I won't mention on this list about keeping but that mainly be to the fact I still don't know enough about them. This is more a list of people I would definitely keep. There are others I would accept as retention's, I've also taken this off the squad list thread so not considered if anyone is missing off there, but it looks up to date:



Sam Doherty

Jack Miller

Louis Sheriff

Jason Tali

Zac Braham

Mark Castle

Kieran Cross

Brad England

Kyle Kesik

Charlie Martin

Russ Spiers

I would retain

Doherty

Tali

Miller

Braham

Castle

Spiers

Cross

Kesik

Hedges to play 13

Martin

England

Muranka

That seems reasonable but for me there's 3 in there with question marks over them, England seems a luxury, kesik although I love his style and commitment I think we would benefit better with a more pacier and mobile hooker to get us on the front foot, miller has a lot of potential and has the skill to produce something special but his defence is poor and opposition will deffo pick him out. I think the fringes are where we are the strongest martin and Doherty are quick and strong and for me tali is our best player, id be happy to retain cas and zac but obviously another prop is needed, I would like rh to be ruthless but I agree with jemmo's retained wishlist.

Think we need about another 3 props , ones who want to put the effort in !

Stop being negative!

For me it would be without a doubt

Kesik

Russ

Jack miller

Zac

Kieran

Sam

Tali



Kesik and russ have been arguably two of our better players all year.

Not sure where pace comes into a starting hooker for me is more about defence and structure there's enough pacey players in an average squad and Kieran offers the flare off the bench when needed but lacks the defence at times.



Be happy to see Pete do another year.

Nobody has mentioned our 1 game wonder .



sorry being negative again .



Come on S-O lets have your list .

A quick 9 is a massive advantage, how many times did we see kesik scoot and break free only to be caught 7yrds later? but I certainly don't want him to leave in fact if we had more players with his attitude and passion we might not be in the mess were in.

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Probably say that's when we should be questioning support play.

It is an advantage but I do think there's more important traits. Again such as defence. I do agree Kieran's pace and try scoring ability has been incredible most of the season but I've seen him make just as many errors and daft passes and miss basic tackles on the line for tries. That's why I would have my starting 9 more controlled & defensively solid and my sub be more fast paced.

A bit like when daz Clarke was a sub at cas then became a starting 9 at Warrington and lost his flare.

Yeah i fully can see your point, the way he flies off the line to make a hit strikes a chord with the fans and like I say if a few more had his heart things may be different.

Is that Worrincy?

Am on a bike ride and have stopped at the Ivanhoe for a pint.

Will post later ...